guess we'll see what the day-ta brings...

/me cracks a cold oatmeal beer in KP's honor

"Taken for Granite", the new reality show about upper middle class young couples on the coasts and the unlicensed contractors who take them for a ride as they try to navigate through the home improvement jungle for must-have accessories and fashionable looks.

Hey skk:

Don't waste my time. "Shaky" in this context means difficult to state with any degree of historical certainty. Whether the CIA was involved in the assassination of Lumumba carries one level of certainty-- fairly high, I'd say. Whether Eisenhower "ordered" it is a whole different level. Whether he encouraged it, preferred it, demanded it, or suggested it, with hints or statements, or even knew about it may be open to interpretation. I believe it was denied at the time and afterwards, so even if they 'found' Ike's handwritten posthumous diary it would still be largely conjecture. We're talking about the CIA, right?

Brilliant.
-EDIT-
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HCN this giant rock fountain wouldn't just clean and maintain itself? Or that someone had to wash the outside of all those giant third story windows? Or that dust and cobwebs might collect in the corners of the 28' vaulted ceiling? Or that the kids would eventually outgrow the giant bed shaped like a racecar that opens onto a giant slide styled to look like a racetrack?

dryfly wrote:

So - what has Asia all pissy tonight? Angie getting them down? Or just that time of the month?

They couldn't steal the Tesla technology. They don't like that.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Hey skk:

Don't waste my time.

Alrighty then.. stop reading right heah..

"Shaky" in this context means difficult to state with any degree of historical certainty. Whether the CIA was involved in the assassination of Lumumba carries one level of certainty-- fairly high, I'd say. Whether Eisenhower "ordered" it is a whole different level. Whether he encouraged it, preferred it, demanded it, or suggested it, with hints or statements, or even knew about it may be open to interpretation. I believe it was denied at the time and afterwards, so even if they 'found' Ike's handwritten posthumous diary it would still be largely conjecture. We're talking about the CIA, right?

Do NOT read this ok.. I don't want to waste your time. that's well articulated ( don't read this okkk ). I'll link to this..

USA/Africa: New Data on Murder of Lumumba, 08/01/02

and

USA/Africa: New Evidence on Lumumba Death, 08/02/10

and we can get to the Belgian documents on this pretty easily - gotta be able to read non-English tho' sadly.. but you won't be reading this..

I leave the rest of HCN with this..

Not so. I have obtained classified U.S. government documents, including a chronology of covert actions approved by a National Security Council (NSC) subgroup, that reveal U.S. involvement in -- and significant responsibility for -- the death of Lumumba, who was mistakenly seen by the Eisenhower administration as an African Fidel Castro. The documents show that the key Congolese leaders who brought about Lumumba's downfall were players in "Project Wizard," a CIA covert action program.

I'm sure if I'm still alive and corpus mentis 51 years from now I'll be told that it was the CIA who was killing Afghanis and Pakistani terrorists without trial or even published evidence and I'll be told - its SHAKY to say President Obama ordered it / knew of it..

Quite sure. ( easy for me to say that since I'll be long dead by then - no really 58+51-bad genes : it wil be a bloody miracle alright. ).

dryfly wrote:

Boulevard Wheat here - go all gluten or go home.

Yeungling Premium here, ran out of Straub so I'm slumming it.

dryfly wrote:

Boulevard Wheat here

I'm afraid my blood pressure keeps me from that hobby these days (working on it:)

This looks interesting: Our Beers « 3floyds

Brewed with Amarillo Hops and a generous portion of American red wheat, Gumballhead has a complex hop aroma with notes of grapefruit, lemon zest, marmalade and peach.

Where are the revelations about Eisenhower? Not "Eisenhower's NSC", or "Eisenhower's CIA", but Eisenhower.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Think of the crack lab they could have build with all that money!

... or at least a couple of guns.

dryfly wrote:

They'll get Tesla technology cheap - after Tesla goes broke.

Tesla guy is blowing all his dough on Spacex these days.

mp wrote:

Lumumba makes me think of Dag Hammarskjold.

there are not that many degrees of separation between the and the Dag

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Where are the revelations about Eisenhower? Not "Eisenhower's NSC", or "Eisenhower's CIA", but Eisenhower.

first say that your time is not being wasted.

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Just bottled a cider and a mead.
Getting ready to keg another cider and another mead, then rack an IPA and a Bavarian Weizen.
There's always a few tasters and samples that must be consumed, so if my gramme and spelling get's even worst, please forgive me.

ex-Duke of Con Dao wrote:

there are not that many degrees of separation between the Duke Point and the Dag

that's neat.... I don't know too much about dag - ( you can see a pattern heah right ) - tell us more - you or mp,,, I can google it of course.

They'll get Tesla technology cheap - after Tesla goes broke.

Tesla guy is blowing all his dough on Spacex these days.

If they can get a functional replacement battery down to the cost of a replacement engine or transmission [about $5-6K] then they survive. Right now it is at $25K.

First cite to a "revelation" about Eisenhower.

I understand there have been interesting developments in anode composition and a few problems solved with electrolytes. It was an article of faith at Tesla that battery tech would improve over time. Still think we're nowhere near a practical energy density.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

First cite to a "revelation" about Eisenhower.

but I'd waste yer time. lets not do that ok ?

this Coors really sucks!
I hope Adolph burns in Hell!...

dryfly wrote:

Straub

jeez is this where the Straubs come from ? I remember booking them for Bath Uni - ok looks likes its Strawbs - still... any connection ?

Strawbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

gawd one was so bad then.. check out this modern day chuggers video and report..

Video: 'Chuggers' tricks revealed in investigation - Telegraph

the video is really really worth it.

talk about - funny thing.. money ( and a good wife ) - I changed..

Then let's agree your claim was shaky.

Sorkin's lastest effort on hbo is just wonderful, better than West Wing.

dryfly wrote:

OR the firm and society needs to not only innovate but also be low cost producer so everyone has good jobs.

Not really..if you are staying on the leading edge of technology..you don't have to play the low-cost game. The other way I can think of is thru superior branding...Tide detergent would be a good example.

Tesla has to know that. Everything else about a high performance electric car is super easy - college senior easy. But the key to staying alive until you can manage that is really good marketing.

Winston, they thought so too. Found there's endlessly more to designing and fabricating a real automobile than that. Hence Valmet's involvement.

skk wrote:

but I'd waste yer time. lets not do that ok ?

No, not if you actually cited something backing up your claim.

you want to see great acting?
check out this clip of Carey Mulligan singing New York New York...
YouTube - Carey Mulligan's Hypnotic Performance as Torch Singer in Steve McQueen's SHAME
...

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Then let's agree your claim was shaky.

after you agree your time is not being wasted now or before actually there's some evidence that its not being wasted since you are engaged in this discussion so.. why are you calling it MY claim.. the context was a research project named Eisenhower project, that Paradigm lost mentioned that ll "piised" on by pointing out that he picked Nixe(o)n as VP and I piled on with a quote from the Indie..( admittedly I just put as a quote and didn't give a link like I am now.

Eisenhower ordered Congo killing - Africa - World - The Independent

The revelation that President Dwight Eisenhower ordered the CIA to "eliminate" Patrice Lumumba, the first prime minister of Congo and a celebrated African freedom martyr,

You wanna fight about this - then take it up with the Indie. I might join in too.. but really.. that's the context..

robj wrote:

The English folk rock group? I much preferred Fairport and Steeleye Span

aye and aye .. but hey we do what the punters are perceived to want.

lawyerliz wrote:

I found the oil spill tp be more exciting than it was as I watched it happen.

I was kind of hoping they'd cover more recent topics. There's so much wrong with what's going on now that 2010 seems old news.

Dry, I give them credit for turning EV fabrication away from cheesy toys. The original roadster sent a message really.

But that won't save them. They need to produce products people can buy not send messages. They are a world away form that right now.

Rickkk wrote:

"These conditions are moving the financial sector towards the same high risk profile it had before the crisis."

BIS Official Warns of Central-Bank Overreach - WSJ.com

The unconventional measures introduced by many central banks in response to financial turmoil could create other problems if carried out for too long, the general manager of the Bank for International Settlements said Sunday.
Central banks currently find themselves "caught in the middle," Jaime Caruana said, "forced to be the policy makers of last resort."
They are providing monetary stimulus on a "massive scale," supplying liquidity to banks unable to fund themselves in markets and easing government financing burdens by keeping interest rates low, said Mr. Caruana, speaking in Basel, Switzerland, at the annual general meeting of the BIS, a consortium of the world's central banks.
Among the risks, he said, prolonged monetary stimulus might make structural or fiscal adjustments seem less urgent.
Financial-stability risks may emerge as financial firms are unable to earn high returns and thus shift to riskier investments, he said.
And "if markets come to see monetary policy decisions as constrained by the growing financing needs of government, the ability of central banks to control inflation would, at some point, be seriously compromised," Mr. Caruana said.
Countries with the weakest fiscal positions and those most dependent on borrowing from foreigners will have to move quickly. Stronger economies, particularly those "too dependent on exports," he said—without naming names but making an obvious reference to Germany and China—should "re-orient" their economies to rely more on domestic demand, he said.

Presumably, Johnson is deceased.

He was still working as of 12 years ago and can be considered a reliable witness.

Like Titanic, it comes down to a string of ifs.

Original plan, long before internicine strife or mfg false starts, admitted to limited production. A boutique builder feeding a narrow market. But, yes, they're not there now and courting bankruptcy today. Very likely others will take the laurels if indeed anyone ever does.

mp wrote:

can be considered a reliable witness.

really? doesn't August 1960 bother you as a date? does me...
I've never read that Ike gave a rat's ass about Africa... esp. after Suez

ex-Duke of Con Dao wrote:

58,000 US servicemen

300,000++ WIA.

UK Bubble UK Economy: Bankers salaries are up 12 percent

A fair number of people have a stripped-down idea of Eisenhower.

Comrade Troyski wrote:

300,000++ WIA.

WIA (including 153303 who required hospitalization and 150341 who didn't) ...
that other 150,341 were the ones that got a Purple Heart for cutting themselves shaving...
...

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Was this so fukkin hard?

take yer beef up with the Indie- whatever bunfight yer into. I take mine on a larger front - mine happened to be - this weekend - about the origin of Tibetan Americans and changing the wiki from :

After that failed foray, the Tibetan plan in Colorado's mountains was abandoned, but the Tibetans, having no free homeland to return to, opted to stay in the friendly environment and homelike terrain.

to:

The CIA parachuted four groups of Camp Hale trainee inside Tibet between 1959 and 1960 to contact the remaining resistance groups. But the missions resulted in the massacre of all but a few of the team members. A condition of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the USA and China was that the Tibetan plan in Colorado's mountains was abandoned but the remaining Tibetans, having no free homeland to return to, opted to stay in the friendly environment and homelike terrain.

yeah yeah sadly I happen to think changing the wiki is more important that HCN bundights - that particular change was 6 months in the making and not to pull a Duke but yeah..

Absolutely I have absolutely no involvement with any military affairs of any country. I eschewed that ( thank you wife ) wayy back - chose candy manufacture.

ex-Duke of Con Dao wrote:

I've never read that Ike gave a rat's ass about Africa... esp. after Suez

wait,, you mean ignored it ? the US was hugely involved in the changes in Africa during his term in office - can we agree on that ?

Here's where I point out that our strategy for the last 35 years has been to hold median wages steady to allow a tiny sliver of society to capture all the gains. Meanwhile we have been cleverly segregating our society by income so everyone you see day to day is just like you. It's worked pretty well so far.

skk wrote:

was that the Tibetan plan in Colorado's mountains was abandoned but the remaining Tibetans, having no free homeland to return to, opted to stay in the friendly environment and homelike terrain.

little known but true... later on on the US dole they developed gambling habits that gave them a questionable reputation far and wide in the West
and soon they came to be known as the Bettin' Tibetans.

You could have cited that part immediately and saved a lot of trouble.

It would not surprise me. The only thing that might be surprising is that it leaked out at all. Unlike Duke, I care a great deal whether some asshole is murdering all the progressive leaders around the world in the name of freedom.

REDACTED

The fascinating part of all this is: OSS started out as a very liberal organization. Anti-fascists. Lots of homosexuals, communists, bright guys.

It wasn't until McCarthy came along that the CIA--the successor to OSS--became "cold warrized."

All of the liberals were forced out, mainly leaving the wackos.

for whom, or what?

"American interests," such as they were.

It's also important to understand that they knew who the "queers" and "commies" were. Oh, yeah.

It was actually a pretty airtight organization with a few noted failures.

Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Sam needs your help again
he's got himself in a terrible jam
way down yonder in Fiat Nam so
double count your books and pick up a sum we're
gonna have a whole lotta fun

And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for
don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is Fiat Nam
And it's five, six, seven, open up the floodgates
ain't no time to wonder why, whoopee the money's gonna die

Come on Wall*Street don't be slow
why manna from heaven is a go-go
there's plenty good money to be made by
supplying the Unabankers with the tools of its trade
let's hope and pray that if they get it wrong,
they'll blame it on this song

If she doesn't get one or the other it isn't going to be long before she or her kin just take it.

Not if our infotainment geniuses and software developers can figure out how to put all the former working class folks in a permanent state halfway between the Matrix and Brave New World, fed by a McDonald's IV and waiting to be called upon only when, as and if needed.

It's not an accident that infotainment and food that kills you young are the main things we produce. Our entire industrial policy consists of intellectual property protection for entertainment type property. Well, that and the giant money funnel for the bankers.

Paris-h the thought.

I had to guffaw at Kruggles comparing Eurozone incomparables to Les Etats Unis:

"So it comes as something of a shock to look at Eurostat data (pdf) on real GDP per capita (or productivity, which look similar). Sure, Greece and Portugal are relatively poor, with GDP per capita of 82 and 77 percent, respectively, of the EU average; this means roughly 76 and 71 percent of the eurozone average, since the euro countries are a bit richer than the EU as a whole. Meanwhile, Germany is at 120 percent of the EU, or 112 percent of the EZ.

But it’s no different, really, than the US situation (look under per capita GDP). Alabama is at 74 percent of the US average, Mississippi at 67, with New England and the Middle Atlantic states at 118 and 116.

In other words, as far as underlying economic inequalities are concerned, the EZ is no worse than the US.

The difference, mainly, is that we think of ourselves as a nation, and blithely accept fiscal measures that routinely transfer large sums to the poorer states without even thinking of it as a regional issue — in fact, the states that are effectively on the dole tend to vote Republican and imagine themselves deeply self-reliant.

The thing is, we didn’t always think of ourselves as a nation, either. Before the Civil War, people talked about “these United States”; it was only after the war that “these” became “the”.

So the key to the success of the dollar zone may be summed up in three words: William Tecumseh Sherman."

But Kruggles is a self-confessed Yankee.

You guise were more fun when obsessing over JFK getting offed.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Sorry. Misread as "I never gave a rat's ass..."

Doing two things at once.

bloody hell yogi admitting to an error very very definitely ( we all know of Fonzie right ? or is that just a US/UK cultural icon ? )

Beautful..

Isn't a Bristol an artifical boob?

1 currency now -yogi - Doing two things at once.

Holding a good hand in a boring game?

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

Holding a good hand in a boring game?

Or....

Rob Dawg wrote:

ackdawracy wrote:

You guise were more fun when obsessing over JFK getting offed.

No all of us are convinced he was. Tinfoil Hat

I read on Zerobrain that he's hiding out in a bunker with Elvis, scroogemcducking in Gooooollllllddddd, bitchez.

Winston wrote:

Do you think its too late to give the south back to the confederacy?

Yes, sadly.

They might take it if we gave Miami back to Castro.

Personally I don't think it would be a good deal for the US unless we also gave Arizona and California back to Mexico.

"The PTSD Belt"

ex-Duke of Con Dao wrote:

ok boy genius, who's going to fight our wars for us... ain't enough Mid-westerners
to do the job... forget the East and West coast...

What are you droning on about?

Would that involve returning all those retirees to Cleveland and Ft Wayne? Sounds good to me.

Winston wrote:

mmmm Robot Armies.

Followed by robot bonus armies.

albrt wrote:

,,,we also gave ,,,California back to Mexico.

Over my dead body - well ok with sufficient advance warning so I can get out. Mexico is a deeply corrupt country - MCP too - with grandees ( the books by Cormac Mccarthy are spot on ) - yeah I've visited.. Not a f'in chance.

Yeah on the grandee front - those Dos Equis ads aren't just a joke..

until I get out of CA - then do what you wish.

ex-Duke of Con Dao wrote:

ok boy genius, who's going to fight our wars for us... ain't enough Mid-westerners
to do the job... forget the East and West coast...

you're doin a lot of yappin for a basement dwelling barista

Winston - or import more Mexicans.

There are a whole bunch of Mexicans serving in the U.S. Military. I know some that don't even want citizenship, but they have U.S. born children and they are doing their part.

I used to take lots of long walks in Waldo Canyon when I was a little baby ...

Waldo Canyon fire forces 11,000 people from their homes - The Denver Post

skk wrote:

until I get out of CA - then do what you wish.

The 19th Century Mexican corruption would fold under the onslaught of 21st Century California corruption.

Rob Dawg wrote:

The 19th Century Mexican corruption would fold under the onslaught of 21st Century California corruption.

oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..

there's a thought.

Nice.

ex-Duke of Con Dao wrote:

the evidence over time supports the

opposite, in fact

California is a veritable tinderbox in search of a spark, a very scary summer looms large.

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

There are a whole bunch of Mexicans serving in the U.S. Military. I know some that don't even want citizenship, but they have U.S. born children and they are doing their part.

I heard tell of non-American Latino families taking payment in lieu of having their US military family members shipped home.

It was a first hand account by a military contractor I knew in the UAE ... so, uh ... no link.

Jackdawracy wrote:

California is a veritable tinderbox in search of a spark, a very scary summer looms large.

But it is a fluffy insubstantial tinderbox. Not like the years stressed seasons of only a few years ago.

Hard to imagine from here. We're sodden.

burnside wrote:

Hard to imagine from here. We're sodden.

72°/58° day after day. Boring.

burnside wrote:

Hard to imagine from here. We're sodden.
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The Houston Chronicle this morning was actually hoping that the tropical storm aimed in our direction and either through South Texas (still extreme drought) or up the Panhandle. After Alicia and Ike, how soon we forget, but water is easier to deal with than drought.

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn wrote:

n the lower mainland of British Columbia it has been the coldest June since 1935.

We've thrown out our coats, since I doubt we'll ever need them again. Good to be you.

Even the Fire departments, who normally call for a bad fire season are saying they only expect a normal fire season this year.

I expect that's true, mp. I was awaiting a plane geometry quiz when we learned the President had been shot.

LHO's murder provided a first false note, but it was the Warren Commission which confirmed for me that we were being provided with a prepared account.

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn wrote:

NO

He's a little ingrate ... send me to law school instead.

I went swimming in the river the other day, and was able to swim upstream about 200 feet using only one arm, and the water was around 75 degrees. There is zero snow left up in the higher climes, the only water coming down the mountain is from underground springs.

To put things into perspective there's an old saying in town regarding the usual ferocity of the river: "If you go in before July, you're gonna die"

Winston wrote:

Even the Fire departments, who normally call for a bad fire season are saying they only expect a normal fire season this year.

Toll from Colorado wildfire raised to 248 homes - Nation Wires - MiamiHerald.com

Doc Holiday wrote:

The chances are equal that temperatures will be higher or lower than normal.

picosec wrote:

"Italy won on penalties!"

I vote for the goalpost as most valuable player. Italy had near 70% possession and couldn't convert. Lucky they won because Germany would have destroyed England. At least now the German win will be interesting.

Rob Dawg wrote:

72°/58° day after day. Boring.

45/61

Rob Dawg wrote:

I vote for the goalpost as most valuable player.

yeah, crossbar FTW.

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn wrote:

I'm serious, it has sucked.

It appears that the Fraser Valley is facing flooding as well ... no?

ew.

burnside wrote:

I was awaiting a plane geometry quiz when we learned the President had been shot.

I was sitting in a Complex Variable class, most of the students had heard the president had been shot but no more. Then we could see out the window the flag being lowered.

Poor instructor hadn't heard a thing and was probably wondering why he wasn't getting any class participation.

Sign of the Apocolypse: Santa Clara county abandoning it's real city envy and not wasting money:
49ers Santa Clara stadium hit by $30 million cut - SFGate
Things are getting strange out there.

picosec wrote:

Poor instructor hadn't heard a thing and was probably wondering why he wasn't getting any class participation.

I'm surprised the tweet server didn't crash.

robj wrote:

You wussies need to get your priorities straight.

I'd love to be there dripping as if in a steam room full of supermodels -- try living with 3 F'ing layers on, waiting for the rain to stop, so that you can look at grey skies and clouds blowing in, bringing more F'ing rain .. ok, I sat in the sun today and have the best tan in a 500 mile radius, but gheeeze....

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

Richmond?

Shelter Island

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn wrote:

Shelter Island

Where's that? I used to live in Kerrisdale.

Jackdawracy wrote:

I was constantly kept a breast of the action before, during and after the JFK assassination.

Aside from noting that "abreast" is one word (unless it isn't) what does "before...the...assassination" mean?

picosec wrote:

Aside from noting that "abreast" is one word (unless it isn't) what does "before...the...assassination" mean?

He was but a babe.

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn wrote:

Just on the Richmond side of the Alex Fraser bridge, after the S curves. Water is getting high, at high tide about three feet to go before all hell breaks loose.

Bonne chance.

Doc Holiday wrote:

a steam room full of supermodels

yeah... that's so science fiction really.
do you have any idea what a steam room does to a woman's hair?

HaHa I'm in a boat so should be ok, can just vacate.

Life aboard a sailboat has always seemed - at this distance - terribly attractive. Yet, any craft in which I could stand upright would be too much to handle solo. Else I'd have done it in the 90s.

The look ahead doesn't include Turkey bombing Syria, or a NATO blockade? It doesn't include a Supreme Court healthcare ruling?

Things could look very different by Tuesday evening. Parts of the healthcare law scuttled. Syria's Assad looking for a way out.

Why does Turkey matter to Europe? They are part of NATO, and want to be part of the Euro. This could take some very strange political and military turns. None of them are good for Assad. Most of them are good for Turkey. A few might be good for the Euro.

Of course, politicians could act like they have with the Euro crisis and not really do much, but make a lot of press releases.

some investor guy wrote:

Why does Turkey matter to Europe?

Oil transit from the Caspian & Stans

sig, they have little to no experience with doing things. The sum of decades is made up of exclusively of agreements.

Has anybody ever quenched a F.I.R.E. by dropping copious amounts of manna from on high?

Comrade Alexei Mikhailovich wrote:

Oil transit from the Caspian & Stans

That too.

Turkey is a better ally than Pakistan.

skk wrote:

YouTube - Khaike Paan Banaraswala Don HD HQ W/ Scene

I like what I see, but...with sub-titles?

Assad will get some sort of deal. That's my prediction. Safe passage to somewhere.

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn - . top five best life decisions I ever made.

Selling the boat?

albert thank you so much for your considered reply. he is a nice and smart boy and would fight for justice in the right circumstances. and a law degree is one way to do that

some investor guy - Turkey is a better ally than Pakistan.

Yea, most of the time they are actually an ally.

albrt wrote:

Maybe they can send him to the Ecuadorian embassy in London

Saudi Arabia is popular with former dictators.

look at the time, have to get up in time to check out the upheaval tomorrow,

Comrade Canadien avec popcorn - Gunning down Kurds.

I did say most of the time. Heck, I think the Canadians have more problems with U.S. than Turkey has. Of course we assume that our standards apply to everyone else.

kratovil1 - kaui coffee

My sister brings me the blue mountain pea-berry, I really like that. The other types I have not tried. My only real rule with coffee is it has to be strong.

I should really link to it shdn't I here's why Om Shanti Om is soo good ( made by a Muslim FEMALE director - Farrah Khan - by the way but she wouldn't want to and I don't to either want to go on about it ) - its an impressive movie -

YouTube - Deewangi (English Subtitles) - Om Shanti Om - 1080p HD

This one has the super-imposed names of all the stars that participate in this movie - given the egos of luvvies its quite some achievement of Farrah Khan to have got them all to do this.

but you gotta admit - beautiful people no ? that's why I objected so strongly when some one - no names now - six months ( or was it 18 months ) ago called Indians ugly...

Dude you are an ignorant racist - have you seen this ?

i am no expert . pau hana for me goodnight

albert if i thought it was riht i would just pay i think he may need a little toughening up. but i am unsure. i have no kids and i think all parents must have some of these thoughts. took him o trips to istanbul ad russia. i know i cannot do it for him. thanks

Viva Bollywood!

Done

Spanish 10y opens with no excitement.
SPANISH GOVERNMENT GENERIC BONDS - 10 YR NOTE Chart - GSPG10YR - Bloomberg 

Rob Dawg wrote:

ody by Fisher, Franklin engines, wild west.

Thanks much RD - moah please on this way of describing the world we live it - googling each of those labels.. well not wild west..

whoah,, never crossed the pond..

Fisher Body is an automobile coachbuilder founded by the Fisher brothers in 1908 in Detroit, Michigan; it is now an operating division of General Motors Company. The name was well known to the public, as General Motors vehicles displayed a "Body by Fisher" emblem on their door sill plates until the mid-1990s.

wait a minute on this one..

The Franklin Engine Company was a manufacturer of aircraft engines. Their designs were used primarily in the civilian market, both in fixed wing and helicopter designs. They were briefly directly towards automobile engines as part of the Tucker Car Corporation, returning to aviation when that company failed. The company was later purchased by the Government of Poland.

You know I'm not doing a yogi on yer ( sorry yogi ) but what's the context then for Franklin xknowledge contamination in your mind ? or something else.

robj wrote:

I had to guffaw

look, volker all in favor of obscure, out of fashion words and bringing back their usage

but eschew earlier, and now guffaw, volker must go on record as being in favor of letting some words die

but not asymptotic, or shatterpated

Jackdawracy wrote:

Isn't a Bristol an artifical boob?

dunno, mebbe so

downtown it's $20.00

picosec wrote:

If you ever pass through Reno, visit the National Automobile Museum (allow a few hours).

definitely then.. there's petersons in our area and I've never been.. I do need to understand this. As I talk at peer group level with 60 year olds in biz in the USA I should know what formed their thinking

I've mostly in the last decade focussed on knowing what the YOUNG think ( e.g. Lana Del Rey, MIA ) yeah time for a link..

Lana del Rey - Video Games on Vimeo

thanks..

I know MINE - well ok perhaps not

I know planes, older gliders, older hang-gliders though - sadly that's not such a universal language I suppose.

For all the haters out there, Hussman is pretty much saying we are yes indeed entering a recession. But even more importantly the market is going to suck in the next couple of months.
Have a good night all.

Hussman Funds - Weekly Market Comment: Enter, the Blindside Recession - June 25, 2012

merchants of fear - Giving the banks more reserves they don't want to lend out will accomplish little

Even if they wanted to lend. I work in a cubicle farm for the lack of a better idea. It's stable and safe.
Give me 2 million and I would most likely destroy it trying to do something good. In time I'm sure I could build a biz, but how profitable in the current circumstance? I don't know.
It's hard to provide a product or service if people can't afford it.
People complain about having to pay a grand for lab test, but then complain if the lab techs are not making big bucks.

In an attempt to gain a wider market, Apple retained the 8 GB iPhone 3G at a lower price. When Apple introduced the iPhone 4, the 3GS became the less expensive model. Apple reduced the price several times since the iPhone's release in 2007, at which time an 8 GB iPhone sold for $599. An iPhone 3GS with the same capacity now has no cost to the customer, as of the release of the iPhone 4S. However, these numbers are misleading, since all iPhone units sold through AT&T require a two-year contract costing several thousand dollars, including an early termination fee,[21] and a SIM lock.
Apple sold 6.1 million original iPhone units over five quarters.[22] Recorded sales have been growing steadily thereafter, and by the end of fiscal year 2010, a total of 73.5 million iPhones were sold.[23] By 2010/2011, the iPhone had a market share of barely 4% of all cellphones, but Apple still pulls in more than 50% of the total profit that global cellphone sales generate.[24] Sales in Q4 2008 surpassed temporarily those of RIM's BlackBerry sales of 5.2 million units, which made Apple briefly the third largest mobile phone manufacturer by revenue, after Nokia and Samsung.[25] Approximately 6.4 million iPhones are active in the U.S. alone.[20]
Over 1 million 4S models were sold in the first 24 hours after its release in October 2011.[37]
The iPhone 4S launch was also the biggest launch[41] for any smartphone in the history of mobile device market.
iPhone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Morning

Well, US futs are what?

Was thinking about poker as analogy yesterday. You could cite all the rules you want but if they have a look and you don't you never have a equal chance.

traderwalt wrote:

10 year T Notes 3/8 point higher

Just another Spanic Monday.

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

most of the time they are actually an ally.

except for that time when they told us not to invade iraq...erm...uh...

“I wouldn’t accept the proposition” that the Fed “has no more ammunition,” Bernanke told reporters June 20. “I do think that our tools, while they are nonstandard, still can create more accommodative financial conditions, can still provide support for the economy.”

72°/58° day after day. Boring.

How does your garden grow?

He's a little ingrate ... send me to law school instead.

You'd be a terrible lawyer. You have a sense of humor.

Good morning all. Debby is still sitting of the coast making a mess. Not much damage here, just some branches down and some minor flooding. We have some heavier stuff coming this way in a little while though.

72°/58° day after day. Boring.

Still in Ventura county? Seen the sun recently? Do you even remember what it looks like?

Outsider, the guy who restored Gretel II in Sydney is my hero. But, as I say, a pretty sloop suitable for solo sailing is too compact for tallish folks.

Oh yes they are fun. Though I don't suppose I'd enjoy a live aboard this morning. We've got weather.

Outsider wrote:

How does your garden grow?

Excellent for broccoli....

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner have argued that the world’s largest economy won’t suffer a fate similar to Japan, partly because U.S. policy makers have been quicker to act to promote expansion and bolster the banking system.

Maybe ... I've seen it argued that the Japanese banks -- which are somewhat unlike western banks -- were a symptom, not a cause, and that the real problem was and is that the keiretsu that they are the financial arms of were what was broke. In any case, Japan has tried much of what the mainstream economists assure us will fix all our problems. Didn't work there. Might well not work here.

Outsider wrote:

Isn't that what got Martha Stewart in trouble?

Martha Stewart was convicted of perjury (lying under oath.) The government didn't have enough evidence to convict her of insider trading.

Martha Stewart was convicted of perjury (lying under oath.) The government didn't have enough evidence to convict her of insider trading.

You informed me of that once before and I forgot.

Still, the principle is the same.

Of course their isn't any discussion that cereal jacks your insulin levels independent of the amount of added sugar:

http://www.cerealfacts.org/media/Cereal_FACTS_Report.pdf

One teaspoon of sugar for every three teaspoons of cereal. Start'em young.

Just another Spanic Monday.