Relax, rates will be much lower this time next year! You can bet your mortgage on that! Oh that's right, the mittens factor may F--K up the model ... hmmmm

Ok, I'm on the fence, Mittens may cause yields to go higher as people chase stocks back up from super lows, so we probably will be in the same place -- Never mind.

a tool like an ipad

i have one of those...it cost $99 and runs cm9 ICS. its also blindingly fast and can run full screen flash with nary a stutter.

Pigged

A reasonable read on McLuhan is Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death... but beware of hardcore McLuahanites; they're ideologues like any other and prone to overstatement and lack of objective observation.

Pigged.

Doc Holiday wrote:
I hate the internet and I'm not buying a F'ing new iPad...

Ever spent any time in a nursing home? My mother spent the last two years of her life not able to get out of bed. There is nothing on TV & her eyesight was failing anyhow. It's getting easier to imagine myself in that same position and a tool like an iPad sounds wonderful. I can hold it close enough to see if my vision is gong. I can enlarge it a lot if I need to. I can crank the volume of whatever music I enjoy as far as I need to so I can hear it. If I can still type I don't need paper and pencil to write a letter, etc. Seems to me it would be worth a lot to have some choice besides staring at the ceiling.

The Limbo:

"How Low can you Go ? "

if anyone interested in watching someone polish a turd while sweating bullets ...

...... todays market action all but guarantees Cramer will do the lead tomorrow morning on The Today Show.

mhdoc wrote:

If I can still type

==> The main issue for you will be food and companionship versus enjoying politics and comedy, music and the things that have made your life whole thus far; very few people in retirement homes have any spirit left -- and they sure the F will not be training themselves to play with a new pad from apple or Mr. Softy! Its different this time

Wouldn't it be interesting if Moody's postponed their announcement until tomorrow? heh.

CNBC with egg on their faces, priceless.

I wouldn't worry. We still haven't broken the loooooooooooooooooooooooooong upper-trend.

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

CNBC with egg on their faces, priceless.

Like they care.... how many "deals" did they announce in 2008 -> 2009 that never happened?

Nice!! We closed off the lows. Rally time tomorrow!

Doc Holiday wrote:

very few people in retirement homes have any spirit left

WTF?

4.25 to 3.75% has nowhere near the effect 7.0 to 6.5% used to have. Add to that the millions who lose the benefit of itemized deduction thresholds.

OTOH this really helps the banks. Laundering iffy loans and generating huge upfront fees.

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

WTF?

Ipad sales to people over 65 are about 6% -- and as we see 80 million people hit 70, that should tell you something ...

One in Three Online Consumers to Use a Tablet by 2014 - eMarketer

Eric wrote:

Like they care.

True. They don't and they did do that and more.

It usually takes around a 50 bps decline from the previous mortgage rate low to get a huge refinance boom

It also takes 20% equity -- oops.

A colleague of mine just failed at a refi because his appraisal was too low.

Mr Slippery wrote:

It usually takes around a 50 bps decline from the previous mortgage rate low to get a huge refinance boom

It also takes 20% equity -- oops.

A colleague of mine just failed at a refi because his appraisal was too low.

The "good" news is that if he stops paying the bank will be right on top of it before they incur a loss. They will move him to the front of the FC line ahead of the losses they do not wish to acknowledge.

I guess the rumors that Porsche was going to take a KIA and slap a label on it were untrue:

Porsche Has No Plans to Go Low-End - Yahoo! Finance

Add to that the millions who lose the benefit of itemized deduction thresholds.

shedding tear for the middling class.

I agree with the dimishing effect of falling interest rates, but would counter that reducing mortgage interest below the standard deduction is a real benefit. Itemizing mortgage interest is one of those benefits that always has me asking how much was spent to save x dollars.

Yancey Ward wrote:

I guess the rumors that Porsche was going to take a KIA and slap a label on it were untrue:

Porsche Has No Plans to Go Low-End - Yahoo! Finance

KIA is hardly low end anymore. Porsche better worry about the reverse takeover soon.

From the Existing Home Sales post, CR wrote:

This suggests non-distressed sales increased in May, and that is a positive sign for the housing market.

The positive bias about a "bottom" or "recovery" in housing is getting a bit nauseating at this point. Can we try to stick with a more balanced view of reality here? The following post by CHS does an excellent job of getting at the heart of the issue. For any that give credence to the "housing pumper camp", please read with an open mind:

charles hugh smith-The Housing Recovery: Based on What? 

And also, it might be worthwhile to pay special attention to this interesting chart:

http://www.oftwominds.com/photos2012/income-by-age2-12.gif

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

but beware of hardcore McLuahanites; they're ideologues like any other and prone to overstatement and lack of objective observation.

I know this might sound like an extreme and radical idea, but I think we need to kill all the extremists and radicals!

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

Wouldn't it be interesting if Moody's postponed their announcement until tomorrow? heh.

CNBC with egg on their faces, priceless.

The Wall Street Journal ran their Moody's downgrade story on June 8th.
Big U.S. Banks Brace for Moody's Downgrades - WSJ.com

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

I know this might sound like an extreme and radical idea, but I think we need to kill all the extremists and radicals!

"We're working on it citizen ... just stay still with your cellphone on." Steve

Rob Dawg wrote:

KIA is hardly low end anymore. Porsche better worry about the reverse takeover soon.

The entire high end, from cars to consumer electronics, had better not get too complacent... The ROW is I drink your MILKSHAKE!

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

just stay still with your cellphone on

Its a chopper, baby

Regarding the fears of China buying America (and Yerp) in the last thread:

I remember the stories and fears from the late '70s and early '80s when they purchased Rockefeller Center and other assets. Malinvestment can dog even the "Yellow Peril" and the post-Mao Commies.

If you want to be really evil, you can sell the assets, take the money, then later nationalize the assets and say, "too bad." Precedent in Latin America and Mideast.

Back to reading the thread...

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

"We're working on it citizen ... just stay still with your cellphone on."

NP. How else would I get my Does the FDIC Order Anchovies? delivery?

"KIA is hardly low end anymore. Porsche better worry about the reverse takeover soon. "

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the average Porsche buyer isn't exactly vacillating between whether to buy a Kia or a Porsche.

Dang you Dooooooooooooooom!!!'rs. Look what you've done!

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

The ROW is ...

... not in on the plutoCONomy.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

The entire high end, from cars to consumer electronics, had better not get too complacent.

Flexibility and lack of legacy burdens with favorable demographics make them formidable.

Reunification would be doubleplusgood.

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

You'll get them when we decide what they are.

“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” Joseph Stalin

metabear wrote:

Dang you Dooooooooooooooom!!!'rs. Look what you've done!

Unwound all the way back 4 trading sessions? The horror.

"Honey I want to get a new 911 Cabriolet.
Okay but may be should check out the new Kia's first.
Good idea sweetie, I never thought about that!"

Rob Dawg wrote:

Unwound all the way back 4 trading sessions? The horror.

thank you, rd, for the perspective. i was just about to jump out this window, here. of course, it's a 1-story building.

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

... not in on the plutoCONomy.

I suppose we can just ban our citizens from purchasing finished goods from non-Aryan Western nations.

"thank you, rd, for the perspective. i was just about to jump this window, here. of course, it's a 1-story building. "

I lost all my money trying short-term trading so I'm loving in my Mother's basement. I'm safe whey I try to jump.

Editing error: "they" being the Japanese. Then there were the Russkies. And now the Chinese.

poic wrote:

so I'm loving in my Mother's basement

go long febreeze

Where's Moodys ratings cut?

Where's Moody's IRS audit?

KP just tried to skype me. But my router is upstairs and I think his is as well so the call had crappy voice quality.

Starving Artist wrote:

Vancouver Condo Info » No more 30 year mortgages.

Re: "The moves are designed to cool the housing market and limit the record levels of personal debt Canadians have amassed in recent years."

==> I hope the entire Canadian tar bubble pops along with their housing market and all their push to partner with Red China! I liked the old Canadians much better than the new red ones... Pitchforks and Torches

poic wrote:

I lost all my money trying short-term trading so I'm loving in my Mother's basement. I'm safe whey I try to jump.

Sound's like Mrs. Poic ain't too safe.

"China! I liked the old Canadians much better than the new red ones..."

They were a lot nicer before they started acting like Americans.

It worked!!!!!
I am now one of the cool kids

The bird pooped on my laptop keyboard

I lost all my money trying short-term trading so I'm loving in my Mother's basement.

eewwww

josap wrote:

It worked!!!!!
I am now one of the cool kids
The bird pooped on my laptop keyboard

New Keyboard

poic wrote:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the average Porsche buyer isn't exactly vacillating between whether to buy a Kia or a Porsche.

They should. I'd take a Genesis over a Panamera.

that might have been the shortest limb ever POIC

Stocks Post Worst Drop in 3 Weeks ...(today)

Stocks Post Best Week of Year - The Daily Beast [June 9, 2012 7:43 AM]

This is F'ing retarded as it gets .... shut the banks and the derivatives markets down and nationalize banks and toss the insiders in prison ... simple start -- then boot out Obama and F'ing find someone other than Mittens to change America ....

Rob Dawg wrote:

They should. I'd take a Genesis over a Panamera.

When he was in high school, Dawg proudly showed off his AMC Pacer.

josap wrote:

It worked!!!!!
I am now one of the cool kids

The bird pooped on my laptop keyboard

You are cool because a bird pooped on your laptop?

I must be so not "with it."

German Manufacturing Sector Contracts Most In 3 Years

(RTTNews) - Germany suffered the steepest contraction in manufacturing activity in three years in June amid a faster decline in new export orders, a survey by Markit Economics showed Thursday.

...A faster decline in export orders...this still seems to me to be the trend...

KP just tried to skype me.

when you get a hold of him ... tell him i've reconsidered and agree with what he told me yesterday ... the stock market is indeed a good indicator of the economy ...

A Hyundai might give them some trouble though...

Let's recap. har.

8 June 2012, "temporary capital buffer"

"The immediate priorities are to strengthen capital buffers and formulate a strategy to deal with banks' legacy assets, guided by an in-depth due diligence of banks' loan portfolios."

Crazy IMF: EUR 40B
REUTERS -FITCH: EUR 60 - 100B 
BdE: EUR 100B 
ROUBINI WORLD: EUR 100B - 250B 
BIDERMAN UNIVERSE: USD 350B - ∞

14 June 2012
Spanish banks need between €60-70bn, say audit firms | classic agency dilemma

21 June 2012

One of the audits, carried out by US company Oliver Wyman, found that if the economy does not fare well then it could need between 51 and 62 billion euros [base case, worst case respectively]. Though the firm found that if the economy performs as expected, it would require between 16 and 25 billion euros. A different auditing firm, Roland Berger, put the figure at 25.6 billion euros in a “normal” scenario and 51.8 billion euros in the worst-case-scenario.

Spain's banks could need 62 bn euros

(BRD) Berger: EUR 16B - 52B
(US) Wyman: EUR 51 - 62B

Yancey Ward wrote:

When he was in high school, Dawg proudly showed off his AMC Pacer.

Garthmobile?

Not hardly. I drove the Packard to the prom.

"They should. I'd take a Genesis over a Panamera. "

Personally I think the Panamera is but ugly, but otoh like I said two totally different types of buyers that will never meet in the middle.

Bruce in Tennessee quoting:

(RTTNews) - Germany suffered the steepest contraction in manufacturing activity in three years in June amid a faster decline in new export orders, a survey by Markit Economics showed Thursday.
...A faster decline in export orders...this still seems to me to be the trend...

See, the Germans really should loan the periphery more money to buy their goods.

My laptop is dying out
Thought I would try the phone. Got it to work.

Bird poop is not cool

josap wrote:

It worked!!!!!
I am now one of the cool kids

The bird pooped on my laptop keyboard

LMAO.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Not hardly. I drove the Packard to the prom.

Gramps, that shouldn't surprise me.

Yancey Ward wrote:

charles hugh smith-The Master Narrative Nobody Dares Admit: Centralization Has Failed

Mancur Olson talked about this idea that when economists studied the collapse of the Soviet Union the conclusion they came to was that modern industry was simply too complex to be centrally managed -- it wasn't possible to effectively communicate the information from disparate parts the economy to a "central brain" because specific economic activity required a degree of deep localized knowledge that overloaded information channels and the "pro

[the rest is left as an exercise for the reader]

Yancey Ward wrote:

See, the Germans really should loan the periphery more money to buy their goods.

..If you don't start using that Snark thingy the basement dweller is gonna agree with you...

josap wrote:

Bird poop is not cool

Put it in the freezer.

I think stocks and commodities will close red today.

Rob Dawg wrote:

You are cool because a bird pooped on your laptop?
I must be so not "with it."

Birds crapped on my laptops before it was cool

When he was in high school, Dawg proudly showed off his AMC Pacer.

Gremlin was way cooler. Only surpassed by the Pinto.

"Birds crapped on my laptops before it was cool "

I had a friend who, years ago, went on a school trip.

Bird craps on his head.
He goes into the wash-room to wipe it off.
Comes outside and a little later another bird crapped on his head.

True story Big smile

Lurking Lawyer wrote:

I think stocks and commodities will close red today.

Shock

The bird or the laptop?

Not going to freeze my sun conure

poic wrote:

Bird craps on his head.
He goes into the wash-room to wipe it off.
Comes outside and a little later another bird crapped on his head.

Was probably a foo bird.

He needed to comb his hair differently so's it didn't appear to be the nest..

Bruce in Tennessee wrote:

.If you don't start using that thingy the basement dweller is gonna agree with you...

I use the new and improved InvisiSnark

Yancey Ward wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

Not hardly. I drove the Packard to the prom.

Gramps, that shouldn't surprise me.

You ain't lived till you've double clutched straight cut gears. This is close.

Closer.

Mike in Long Island wrote:

Only surpassed by the Pinto.

Sky blue 1979 Pinto was my first car. My parents had won it in a raffle.

creditcriminalslovetarp wrote on Fri, 6/1/2012 - 6:42 pm
reply
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OSIR: Summary for Osiris Therapeutics, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
10 years could be a $200 pps stock....
the future is here....

I tried to help everyone here...you have to give to receive....I love the CR posters...I think...oh well, I might have been wrong, it might be a $200 stock in 2 years....think ISRG!! look at that price point...same low float, trapped shorts with impressive products....
Osiris Therapeutics, Inc. Stock Chart | OSIR Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance

their website...http://www.osiristx.com/

Porsche. That's the Volkswagen sports car isn't it? Wink

Rob Dawg wrote:

The "good" news is that if he stops paying the bank will be right on top of it before they incur a loss. They will move him to the front of the FC line ahead of the losses they do not wish to acknowledge.

I hear ya. He refi-ed 2 years ago so this time it was going to be a 5/8% cut, but got the bad news yesterday.

Sky blue 1979 Pinto was my first car. My parents had won it in a raffle.

My grandfather had a gold or orangish brown one. Manual transmission.

"Porsche. That's the Volkswagen sports car isn't it?"

New Keyboard

Yep

This week in Local Politics Even in Germany

German goverment strikes deal with opposition on fiscal treaty

A front consisting of the governments of Germany's 16 states has formed against the federal government over the ratification of the fiscal pact -- including states governed by Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union and their Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union [CDU]. During negotiations last Thursday between the federal government and the states, the conservative-run states signed up to the demands of the opposition center-left Social Democratic Party [SPD] and Greens. Now, the states are demanding more financial assistance from the federal government in return for supporting the fiscal pact in an upcoming vote in the Bundesrat, Germany's second legislative chamber which represents the interests of the states....

The states are also strongly resisting pressure to swiftly consolidate their finances. According to their calculations, many of the state-level finance ministries will not be able to fulfill the provisions of the fiscal pact, which is expected to come into force in January 2013. The treaty requires that Germany limits its structural deficit to 0.5 percent of gross domestic product from 2014 onwards. The German government has already committed itself to reducing its budget deficit to 0.35 percent of GDP as early as 2014 to comply with the provisions of the German "debt brake," a 2009 constitutional amendment that was a model for the European fiscal pact. Under the debt brake rules, German states -- which are responsible for their own finances -- have to completely balance their budgets by 2020.

German States Blackmail Berlin over Fiscal Pact

To finance the measures to boost growth, Germany will push for the implementation of a European financial transaction tax - a demand the opposition had put forward as a condition for their support.

German government, opposition join forces to save euro

The Thursday edition of the daily Frankfurter Rundschau reported that the Left party [Die Linke] wants to take its case before Germany's highest court as soon as the two measures have been approved [PYRRHIC!] by parliament as expected. The Bundestag votes on the ESM and fiscal pact next Friday.

German Left party seeks court order against euro measures

Regarding collapse...It's not complexity, or centralization, or ....at the heart of a collapse, but corruption and therefore an erosion of trust in leaders and institutions. No state is immune, regardless of the label of their system. Corruption equals a failed nation-state, if not sooner, then later. The other issues are side effects.

poic wrote:

"Porsche. That's the Volkswagen sports car isn't it?"

New Keyboard

Yep

They are now. That naked short squeeze will go down in history.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

Porsche. That's the Volkswagen sports car isn't it?

Porsche is the Corvette of sports cars.

Mary wrote:

(BRD) Berger: EUR 16B - 52B
(US) Wyman: EUR 51 - 62B

(US) Slippery: EUR 250B
Rationale: every stress test is a slobbering pack of lies, real stress tests are coming, and the liars will break.

Paradigm Lost wrote:

The other issues are side effects.

YUP.

Did you see the Telegraph comment Pavel posted earlier? A few more weeks and they'll be solvent.

Yancey Ward wrote:

Porsche is the Corvette of sports cars.

Question: Can you get a Corvette without air conditioning?

all just a gross misunderstanding

a low level clerk put the decimals in the wrong column ...

Mike in Long Island wrote:

My grandfather had a gold or orangish brown one. Manual transmission.

Mine had all the upgrades- manual transmission, roll down windows, AM radio, non-powered steering, burn-ward insurance....

I prefer record low cut blouses.

Back in business.
Wireless keyboard & mouse. Big smile

Hubby said wait till in the morning to see if my laptop works.

Irving Fisher eventually arrived at that conclusion.

Another Sandals

Sandals on the Sidewalk in Thessaloniki: The New Mayor

This is a profile of the mayor here, who has been in office for 18 months. He is a very interesting fellow: THE SATURDAY PROFILE; Thessaloniki Tackles Greece’s Problems in Miniature - NY Times

This is a must read for folks that might hope to understand this little part of the world.

"The German government Wednesday evening reached a compromise with the opposition on the EU’s fiscal treaty, conservative MP Norbert Barthle told Reuters. In return for accepting the treaty, **the opposition will be offered a growth and job plan and a financial transaction tax. **"

Good.

Doc Holiday wrote:

I hope the entire Canadian tar bubble pops along with their housing market and all their push to partner with Red China

Is this a joke? I can't tell.

josap wrote:

Hubby said wait till in the morning to see if my laptop works.

Do you have an air compressor in the garage? If so I recommend you use it soon. It won't do any harm at this point.

Paradigm Lost wrote:

Regarding collapse...It's not complexity, or centralization, or ....

No, it is centralization. Corruption is to be expected since we are dealing with human beings. Controlling corruption requires that power be distributed more widely. We are fated, I believe, to never actually learning this lesson for more than a generation or two. I view political collapse as probably the destruction necessary before new creation of a new political system that is less corrupt. This doesn't mean that society need collapse, but the centralized governments will.

I think the growth they'll be offered will turn out to be a tumor.

YouTube - It's not a Toomah!

Doc Holiday wrote:

I hope the entire Canadian tar bubble pops along with their housing market and all their push to partner with Red China

What "partnering?" It is all Chinese asset acquisition/control. There will be no benefits accruing to Canada. Didn't the Canucks learn anything from the South American debacles?

GDD look at my comment above on OSIR....the action is great and the product is the future of medicine....if anyone took it the next week they doubled bet...

Paradigm Lost wrote:

Corruption equals a failed nation-state, if not sooner, then later.

Short and to the Point,

but we have always had corruption in our system, the question is " Have TPTB gone to far this time?"

" Have The Wealthy picked Main Street, too Clean this time?"

And they show no sign of letting up. Personnally I think they are going for a MAJOR Social Take over of J6P's Basic Rights and Freedoms.

Power and Control over Everyone they can Get. I'll take my Tinfoil Hat off now. Smile

Rob Dawg wrote:

air compressor in the garage

nope, just have to wait.

what do I have a dumas bullseye on my forehead? Mirror mirror on the wall, who is paying for this all?

Actually, TTYTT, years ago I bought and held ISRG. Lets just say, despite making a wee bit, I sold it WAYYYY too early.

Paradigm Lost wrote:

Regarding collapse...It's not complexity, or centralization, or ....at the heart of a collapse, but corruption and therefore an erosion of trust in leaders and institutions

Tainter argued it was complexity... I think that's a slight oversimplification (I think it's more complexity in areas that are excessively resource intensive) but he makes some compelling arguments based on archaeological evidence.

Seems like there was a period in 2007 or so when everyone here was reading that:

Amazon.com: The Collapse of Complex Societies (New Studies in Archaeology) (9780521386739): Joseph A. Tainter: Books 

Taibbi Is Back With The Scam Wall Street Learned From the Mafia | ZeroHedge

1st glance notable: "The defendants in the case – Dominick Carollo, Steven Goldberg and Peter Grimm – worked for GE Capital, the finance arm of General Electric."

Convictions on municipal bond bid rigging.

josap wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

air compressor in the garage

nope, just have to wait.

Everyone should have compressed air and vacuum at their disposal. It just isn't civilized. Do you have running water and sewer? Same thing. Necessities.

"Porsche is the Corvette of sports cars. "

Not even near. The 911 sounds like a jet engine. Vets and BMW like to ride bumpers. True story. My SO (I was the navigator-witness) in the 911 left 'em eating dust. Many times. Vroooooooom, vrooooom!

Yancey Ward wrote:

Porsche Has No Plans to Go Low-End - Yahoo! Finance

Where's nova? Puzzled

do your dilegence and you'll see why I jumped on board earlier...I still have a big core after 100% runup..the stuff their doing is amazing....

Rob Dawg wrote:

What "partnering?" It is all Chinese asset acquisition/control.

Uhh no, it's minority positions and JVs

Paradigm Lost wrote:

"The German government Wednesday evening reached a compromise with the opposition on the EU’s fiscal treaty, conservative MP Norbert Barthle told Reuters. In return for accepting the treaty, **the opposition will be offered a growth and job plan and a financial transaction tax. **"

Not so fast.

Haralambos wrote:

the mayor here, who has been in office for 18 months.

Can you get him to come over here?
Sounds like a great guy. He could give our politians a reality check.

Antipodes wrote:

Where's nova?

Have wondered the same thing. Did I miss a farewell?

Paradigm Lost quoted:

"The German government Wednesday evening reached a compromise with the opposition on the EU’s fiscal treaty, conservative MP Norbert Barthle told Reuters. In return for accepting the treaty, **the opposition will be offered a growth and job plan and a financial transaction tax. **"

Lots of rumors about other countries spending German money.

Starving Artist wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

What "partnering?" It is all Chinese asset acquisition/control.

Uhh no, it's minority positions and JVs

PetroChina buys control of Canada oil sands project
| Reuters

9 out of 9 bums agree the rich dude should give them cash ... no questions asked ...

Pigged

Regardless of loan product name, BdE and ECB, are de jure guarantors of Spain 5 debt. Neither would want to exaggerate commercial borrowers' creditability, contrary to bond brokers' demand for LdTs. Therefore, the EC will appear over the next two weeks to perform a forensic audit and the write-offs will begin before staging disbursements to BdE.

I've commented in detail about the EBA stress test (summer 2011) and recommendation a few times over the past few weeks --ECB reserve requirement (9%), valuation formula, etc. I suppose, now, I should have emphasised that the banks' financial statements were self-reported. (That is, not independently audited by EC or ECB) -- if that's what you mean be "liars." In that sense, Spain's problem is similar to that of Greece. BdE's "advantage" by comparison is establishment of ESM facility, which will offer more favorable terms than Mr Market in any case.

Retaining a couple management consulting firms to appraise assets of the big 5 is a bid to cover, or overstate, shareholders' equity. "Pavel Chichicov" is confused about which interested party will pwn the losses when all the books are audited.

The hammer's coming down. 50% or nothing. More or less.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Antipodes wrote:
Where's nova?
Have wondered the same thing. Did I miss a farewell?

His last comment was May 26th.

Rob Dawg wrote:

PetroChina buys control of Canada oil sands project

PetroChina (601857.SS) became the first Chinese state-owned company to wholly own a Canadian oil sands development

Yup, you proved the Chinese takeover of Canada, congratulations

black dog wrote:

9 out of 9 bums agree the rich dude should give them cash ... no questions asked ...

Early thirties dude at the corner this morning. "Don't drink, don't smoke. Served. Have family to support."

His last comment was May 26th.

I sent him an email but never got a response. No updates to his website either in quite some time.

Yancey Ward wrote:

Controlling corruption requires that power be distributed more widely.

Distributed more widely in what way? Or what ways?

Antipodes wrote:

Where's nova?

Wasn't he going to FL for a vacation?

I feel like I oughter borrow some money at 3.5%, just so s I can say I did.

seems like he is getting the job done...someone has to hit the light switch to brighten the room.

Kind of a fun read...

Even as the global recession has forced cutbacks in government spending, other countries continue to invest significantly more than the U.S. to expand and update their transportation networks.

U.S. Seaports Need Help - Article from Supply Chain Management Review

:shovel_ready:

picosec wrote:

Wasn't he going to FL for a vacation?

A month would be one nice vacation!

Starving Artist wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

PetroChina buys control of Canada oil sands project

PetroChina (601857.SS) became the first Chinese state-owned company to wholly own a Canadian oil sands development

Yup, you proved the Chinese takeover of Canada, congratulations

I sincerely apologize for giving you that impression. In my ignorance I thought I was responding to a claim of:
"...no, it's minority positions and JVs "

I was stupid. I thought an example would disprove the assertion of "minority positions and JVs". My bad.

No, no, the Florida travelors has already checked in and he saw a Florida panther!

lawyerliz wrote:

I feel like I oughter borrow some money at 3.5%, just so s I can say I did.

Bottom ticking bragging rights might prove useful in the future. I remember my parents and their friends holding mortgage burning parties. Most of the time the payments were less than their car loans.

Germany ratifies EU fiscal pact

Published: 21 Jun 12 12:30 CET
Updated: 21 Jun 12 17:10 CET

::

Anglo-merican counter-intel.... developing

dryfly wrote:

Even as the global recession has forced cutbacks in government spending, other countries continue to invest significantly more than the U.S. to expand and update their transportation networks.

U.S. Seaports Need Help - Article from Supply Chain Management Review

:shovel_ready:

Drones, fighter jets seem to feature largely in US "infrastructure" projects Snark

Although there has been federal/state/private rail spending on improving the track between CHI & St. L and improving some of the rail bottlenecks in the Chicago area. Gov. Quinn and Sen. Durbin announces $10.4M TIGER grant for rail improvements - Chicago CIty Hall | Examiner.com and Amtrak completes rail track improvement works - Rail News from rail.co

But mostly it seems the US would rather bloat the DoD budget.

Nova was a tad down about book sales, I think. Hope he's ok.

azurite wrote:

Distributed more widely in what way? Or what ways?

Away from a central government. The hows do matter, but you must first be willing to decentralize for them to matter.

lawyerliz wrote:

...he saw a Florida panther!

That is so cool. North American mammals are just the bomb. I am pretty sure I once saw a Fisher Cat in the wild. A Florida Panther would be equivalent.

"Thessaloniki was about $126 million in debt when Mr. Boutaris, a successful winemaker, was sworn into office. (His predecessor has since been indicted, along with 17 others. They are accused of stealing almost $38 million.) The city was doing a poor job of delivering basic services..."

Yancy, I disagree. It's corruption. Pure and simple. Evasion and law breaking without recourse. Elites create complexity so they can slither between the cracks. Corruption loves complexity and in fact, creates it. Witness our tax code.

But then you see gubmint as evil...so you would think that all the peripherals are to blame. It's not hard to see. Russia, Rome, Louis' France, Mexico, Japan, various Latin American, African and Island nations, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Need more??? All different types of government -- some complex, some not. All corrupt and failed states.

"Berlin has argued that such a tax should be introduced at EU level but has run into fierce opposition, notably from Britain, which fears it would hurt London's status as a financial hub."

Translate "financial hub" as casino/money laundering operation.

josap wrote:

Can you get him to come over here?
Sounds like a great guy. He could give our politians a reality check.

Yes, Josap, but he faces huge obstacles.

Petrol dropped in price again...

91 octane (regular) petrol: NZ$1.999/litre = NZ$7.57/US Gallon = US$6.02/US Gallon

rosethorn wrote:

"Berlin has argued that such a tax should be introduced at EU level but has run into fierce opposition, notably from Britain, which fears it would hurt London's status as a financial hub."

Translate "financial hub" as casino/money laundering operation.

Why do you think Savvy Dimon put his whale there? Old news. London did not go along with the "reforms" in NYC and as such attracted old business to a new turf. This is the logical and inevitable result.

Moody's downgrades are out.

RATM wrote:

Moody's downgrades are out.

And Larry Page has lost his voice.

I'm at the point with Dade County, where I think bribery would be an improvement. I can understand perfectly how it comes about. Actually and for real. There are electrical examiners who were cut from 8 to 2. Working free overtime at Dade County. My client would pay for a day or 2 of work by a laid off one to catch up, not only with her project, but some of the other ones waiting. Everyone would be happier, but no there are too many obstacles to even bother to suggest it.

"And they show no sign of letting up. Personnally I think they are going for a MAJOR Social Take over of J6P's Basic Rights and Freedoms."

I agree. They have come out of the shadows and are now "in your face." In the past, America has reined them in.

But there's always the question...will we do so again?

RATM wrote:

Moody's downgrades are out.

Marketwatch: Bank of America shares up 1.2% after downgrade (no joke)

Mr Slippery wrote:

Marketwatch: Bank of America shares up 1.2% after downgrade (no joke)

Saw this too,

Morgan Stanley Shares Up 3.9% After Hours After Moody's Downgrade; MS Downgraded 2 Notches, Some In Mkt Had Expected 3-Notch Cut

lawyerliz wrote:

Who is?

He is an internet firm CEO of some repute.

RATM wrote:

Morgan Stanley Shares Up 3.9% After Hours After Moody's Downgrade; MS Downgraded 2 Notches, Some In Mkt Had Expected 3-Notch Cut

Point shaving.

15 Major Investment Banks See Ratings Cut by Moody's - US Business News - CNBC

Moody’s Investors Service downgraded the debt ratings of 15 major international banks and securities firms on Thursday, a move that could cost the banks billions of dollars in extra collateral.
U.S banks that were downgraded included Bank of America [BAC Loading... () ], Citigroup [C Loading... () ], Goldman Sachs [GS Loading... () ], JPMorgan [JPM Loading... () ] and Morgan Stanley [MS Loading... () ].
Royal Bank of Canada and nine European banks, including Deutsche Bank [DB Loading... () ], BNP Paribas and Credit Suisse [CS Loading... () ] also had their ratings cut.
Moody’s announced earlier this year that it would review the ratings of 17 global investment banks and has already downgraded Macquarie and Nomura.
The current credit actions are part of a comprehensive review of the overall global banking system by Moody’s.

"Tainter argued it was complexity..." I'm not saying we don't have complexity in the system.

But go to the core. Power breeds complexity.

Paradigm Lost wrote:

But there's always the question...will we do so again?

YA, and in this economic/political environment........CAN WE?

I think it is complexity PLUS inflexibility.

Rajesh isn't here?

Well, better late than never.

Mortgage rates are too high!

Ok, what were 15 year rates?

5 Housing Markets Where Renting Beats Owning - Real-Time Advice - SmartMoney

The homeownership rate in the U.S. fell slightly from 66% to 65% during the first quarter of 2012 — the lowest in 15 years, according to the latest data by the U.S. Census. (It peaked at just over 69% in 2004.)

Rise of the Rentier Class Shakes Tiny Fist of Fury

Wow...look at gold.

Shill must be dead......

Gee, it looks as if Moody's is full of shit.....which it is.

Most banks up after downgraded.

Tongue

OT: Ya gotta love an ETF called PWND.

New Keyboard

name meme

aleister perdurabo wrote:

15 Major Investment Banks See Ratings Cut by Moody's - US Business News - CNBC

It sure is a good thing that we learned our banking lesson during the 2008 meltdown, so that none of those banks's failures would cause a systemic event.

It was thought that Citi, MS, JPM, and GS were going to be declared "Big Steaming Piles of Dog Shit." However, after hours, Moodys only declared them "Big Piles of Dog Shit." Rally on.

15 Major Investment Banks See Ratings Cut by Moody's - US Business News - CNBC

Does that mean we'll be seeing them on BFF?

Evil

5lb bags of organic material sell for $5 at Home Depot. 10lb burst bags trigger a multi-thousand dollar hazardous toxic waste clean up. Keep pushing it out the door in contained bags and it is all good.

I guess they believe their own lies.

And besides,they must be destroyed.

It also takes 20% equity -- oops.
A colleague of mine just failed at a refi because his appraisal was too low.

HARP!

5lb bags of organic material sell for $5 at Home Depot. 10lb burst bags trigger a multi-thousand dollar hazardous toxic waste clean up. Keep pushing it out the door in contained bags and it is all good.

Exactly.

I'd love to see someone do a chemical analysis on several different brands of bagged/commercial organic material/compost.

And your bathroom sir?

Son is gonna start on my half bath tomorrow. The hub is gonna freak out when he sees the other other we chose for one wall.

Haircuts today Party

  • Morgan Stanley cut two notches to Baa1 ( should have been 3 notches )
  • JP Morgan was cut two notches to AA3
  • Citi was cut to Baa2,
  • Goldman Sachs was cut to A3
  • Bank of America was cut to Baa2
  • Credit Suisse was cut 3 notches

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

BAC Major Holders | Bank of America Corporation Com Stock - Yahoo! Finance

Well, at least they can console one another.

BAC Options | Bank of America Corporation Com Stock - Yahoo! Finance

Look at those volumes.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

I feel sorry for the major holders of those banks.

NAW, What with the unemployment low just means they have an excuse for QE3 and they will be recieving more Taxpayer Bailout Money from Ben.
More Trickle down. Laughing out loud

lawyerliz wrote:

The hub is gonna freak out when he sees the other other we chose for one wall.

Eh?

Rob Dawg wrote:

5lb bags of organic material sell for $5 at Home Depot. 10lb burst bags trigger a multi-thousand dollar hazardous toxic waste clean up. Keep pushing it out the door in contained bags and it is all good.

Is that for night soil?

lawyerliz wrote:

And your bathroom sir?

Son is gonna start on my half bath tomorrow. The hub is gonna freak out when he sees the other other we chose for one wall.

Moving along smartly. Bottlenecks removed. Next up is a quote for commercial wallboard. There's no margin in doing that yourself.

From story, Germany ratifies EU fiscal pact:

"The accord says that faced with resistance from some EU member states, Germany would back a tax on financial transactions based on a core of "at least nine" countries taking part.

Berlin has argued that such a tax should be introduced at EU level but has run into fierce opposition, notably from Britain, which fears it would hurt London's status as a financial hub."

But Britain isn't a member, so, tell 'em to git stuffed.

Antipodes wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

5lb bags of organic material sell for $5 at Home Depot. 10lb burst bags trigger a multi-thousand dollar hazardous toxic waste clean up. Keep pushing it out the door in contained bags and it is all good.

Is that for night soil?

Oh. I see you speak "Wall Street."

lawyerliz wrote:

The hub is gonna freak out when he sees the other other we chose for one wall.

Transparent glass?

Moving along smartly. Bottlenecks removed. Next up is a quote for commercial wallboard. There's no margin in doing that yourself.

The 4 words that send shivers down every wife's spine:

"I can do that."

I keep getting the impression that the levels increase in numbers so that junk doesn't ever have to be reached no matter how many cuts they give.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Moving along smartly. Bottlenecks removed.

We keep ours in a bin out front. In Vino Veritas

This is so awesome:

"They say everything is bigger in Texas, and the problem of the uninsured is no exception. The Houston metropolitan area has one of the highest rates of uninsured people in America, and a health safety net that’s imploding under the demands of too many people and too few resources. Almost one in three residents – more than a million people -- lack health insurance, and about 400 are turned away from the county hospital district’s call center every day because they can’t be accommodated at any of its 23 community or school-based centers."

"Opponents of the federal health-care law see the problem of the uninsured very differently: They object not just to the price tag of expanding coverage to millions more people, but also to the philosophy behind it.

Texans are individualistic and value their freedoms and responsibilities, said Lucy Nashed, a spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Perry, noting that Medicaid spending is a big part of Texas’ budget.

"Individual responsibility is about making healthy choices and taking ownership of your lifestyle, not just about buying health insurance,” Nashed said. “And you can’t legislate a healthy lifestyle.”

60 percent of Texas are overweight or obese......what possibly could happen?

In Houston, high rates of uninsured burden public system | McClatchy

lawyerliz wrote:

Who is?

It is ironic that you might Google Larry Page.

Outsider wrote:

The 4 words that send shivers down every wife's spine:

"I can do that."

New Keyboard

Well he ok'ed a pale green that goes with the tiles that were already there. Then we were out without him (his bad) and we decided on a warm color to contrast with it. Ummmm, red happens to be a warm color. A very nice red, I assure you.

Outsider wrote:

"I can do that."

Immediately followed by "Hold my beer".

A bit of a Winter Holiday's theme in the bathroom?

lawyerliz wrote:

A very nice red, I assure you.

So, by "other other" you mean red tile? :fogged:

"I'm at the point with Dade County, where I think bribery would be an improvement. I can understand perfectly how it comes about. Actually and for real. "

Yep. Just try and get a driver's license or plates in the Virgin Islands.

Paradigm Lost wrote:

But Britain isn't a member, so, tell 'em to git stuffed.

But Britain was smart enough to skip the currency union and perfectly able to QE any time they wish, so have no need for a transaction tax. Why should they pay, when they don't need it to play. And it really is a scheme to tax London to pay for Greece.

So, by "other other" you mean red tile? :fogged:

Will we survive until LL masters her new iPhone?

lawyerliz wrote:

Son is gonna start on my half bath tomorrow.

good to know it's a generational thing

will it be some sort of a memorial shitter?

lawyerliz wrote:

I doesn't have walls?

Exposed replacement structural beams at this point. That's why it has taken so long. This was a case of extreme dryrot/fungus.

or, alternatively

Hey everybody, watch this!

Rob Dawg wrote:

Moving along smartly.

In other words, ran out of money.

Bathrooms are expensive.

No, a red wall, and perhaps ceiling.

You can always paint over it.

Why are banks allowed to own shares of 'competitor' banks?

I'm trying to convince The Other than the reason 1800 s.f. roofs cost what they do is probably 80% materials.

We will be TARPed forever if I don't start making some phone calls.

Weren't you at that stage 6 months ago?

KarmaPolice wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

Moving along smartly.

In other words, ran out of money.

No, sidetracked by an employment bump, a kitchen back splash and health setback.

Paint the roof red and green and also purple and orange.

Don't forget polka dots large and small.

Weren't you at that stage 6 months ago?

New Keyboard

Long-Term California Port Traffic Stagnation

Calculated Risk posted charts of this last week but I just now got around to updating my versions (with seasonal adjustments using the government's seasonal adjustment tools).

lawyerliz wrote:

No, a red wall, and perhaps ceiling.

Oy. I'm just going to STFU now. Exclamation Mark

Oy. I'm just going to STFU now.

New Keyboard

I hear white/off white/various shades of gray are in now - universally.

I'll paint a dollar bill over the red ceiling and then it can be a debt ceiling!

lawyerliz wrote:

Weren't you at that stage 6 months ago?

Was it that long? The new structure is in replacing the bad structure that had been exposed. No excuses, still taking too long but there are reasons. A formal contractor would have gone for full permit demolition and 8x the projected costs.

Speaking of Google, try googling Greece, Germany and Euro tonight and I guarantee a variety of suggestions.

Recognized losses.
Approaching junk.
Isn't that for what you've all been hankering?

The rest of the walls in the house are white. This is only a small half bath. I like gaudy bathrooms. I hate beige. I'm going with it.

Outsider wrote:

I hear white/off white/various shades of gray are in now - universally.

Yep. I mean, anything is better than Oups .

Antipodes wrote:

Transparent glass?

Transparent aluminum, laddie! That's the ticket!

"YA, and in this economic/political environment........CAN WE? "

Sure we can. They have the money, the pull, the power. But we have the numbers. Elites have always had the high-tech of their historical period on their side. But angry people have the numbers. The more complex a society, the more vulnerable they are.

LL: Inflexibility goes with the program. They are, after all, the status quo.

In the end, the masses will say "enough of this shit" and they'll tear down whatever's in their way. Money and power won't keep you safe. In fact, it puts a great, big bull's eye on your back.

It has took 4 years to do my bath/dressing room. What's the rush?

State Street owns 428 million shares of BAC. JPM owns 228 million shares of BAC. JPM owns 8 million shares of State Street. State Street owns 155 million shares of JPM.

Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Beyond Bankerdome producing no value.

Outsider wrote:

I'm trying to convince The Other than the reason 1800 s.f. roofs cost what they do is probably 80% materials.

Complex rooflines add up quick.

These are regular interior wall walls.

I must've gotten 10 lbs. of 3 of this company's catalogs in the mail one day and don't know why. They were beautiful tho. I hated to throw them out.

Restoration Hardware Homepage

lawyerliz wrote:

You ok?

Not totally. Crawling around in the rafters brought on a knee problem that the heart medicines aggravate.

Kinda like the unintended consequences of ZIRP.

Waiting for the trees to grow to the appropriate size for the timber.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Not totally. Crawling around in the rafters brought on a knee problem that the heart medicines aggravate.

Pay a pro to finish the job. It's not worth risking your health.

Wife has her own bathroom. Got done much faster. Wink

Mary wrote:

Isn't that for what you've all been hankering?

no, and shame on you

it's what we know is coming

shame on you, fie!

Rob Dawg wrote:

and health setback.

Let me guess.....stress related.

Wink

lawyerliz wrote:

I like gaudy bathrooms. I hate beige. I'm going with it.

What about a Pepto-Bismol Bathroom?

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Transparent aluminum, laddie! That's the ticket!

Expanded metal?

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

Not totally. Crawling around in the rafters brought on a knee problem that the heart medicines aggravate.

Pay a pro to finish the job. It's not worth risking your health.

It's just knee. Still got a spare. Wink

So, does News "Preparation H" boy think he's a member of the savvy club? I don't think so.

Hahahahaha!

Embrace his mediocrity, y'all. Celebrate the system's awesomeness.

Liquidation of the Rentier is coming, muppets.

Sheeples will inherit what's left of the Earth.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Pay a pro to finish the job. It's not worth risking your health.

+1

Outsider wrote:

I must've gotten 10 lbs. of 3 of this company's catalogs in the mail one day and don't know why. They were beautiful tho. I hated to throw them out.

Go ahead. The prices are ridiculous, the quality so-so for what you get, and the designs are generally vulgar. The proportions and scale are particularly bad. It's McMansion idiot furniture porn. if you need furniture, get American made hardwoods. You can find excellent stuff in the better thrifts or on line. Then you can paint it or re-upholster it, which supports a local business. Most of the RH/Pottery Barn stuff is made in Asia. Sadly, most electrical fixtures are made in Asia, it's hard to get American made. And textiles are even harder.

I don't like Pepto Bismol pink. That's why.

You know, I was an art major.

My bathroom down in the long sold South Dade house was done with a turquiose tub (oversized, but not huge), and potty, and teal and slate black tiles with blue/teal lines around. I had walls painted blue; it was remarked that it looked undersea, so I had the daughter and her female friend (who were acting as painters to paid a few graceful killer whales on the wall. Not kidding. I liked it. everyone else did too, and it didn't prevent the house from selling either.

Now, the pale grout in the kitchen tiles--that was a mistake. Never use pales grout.

Rob Dawg wrote:

It's just knee. Still got a spare.

Your knee... besides I'm too young to say "I told you so" Laughing out loud

EU Fiscal Pact[*] Ratification Map

[*] Treaty on stability, coordination and governance a/k/a "fiscal pact" a/k/a "Merkel's pet project" a/k/a "Merkel's method" a/k/a "fiscal stability treaty". Deal is done.

josap wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

air compressor in the garage

nope, just have to wait.

Do you have any canned air (for cleaning keyboards)? I used some when I spilled a few drops of tea on my keyboard -- right at the power button -- and I think it helped.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Did I miss a farewell?

Hope nova is well and on vacation.

"The Houston metropolitan area has one of the highest rates of uninsured people in America, and a health safety net that’s imploding under the demands of too many people and too few resources."

Karma: Think about this. Houston took in the lion's share of distressed and homeless from NOLA after Katrina. One bayou people extending a hand to another bayou people. Houston and other gulf towns have a historical connection, along with devastating hurricanes they can all relate to. But the Nawlins refugees never went back home, like Houstonians thought they would.

I've been expecting something like this.

Blackhalo:

"Why should they pay, when they don't need it to play."

I'd tell the crybabies, if'n you wants ta play in my backyard and blow up economies, pay up. Otherwise, go somewhere else to do your dirty dealin'. I don't blame the Germans one little bit. London City's been playing fast 'n' loose for years and gettin' away with it. They started the whole tax haven BS.

The German states have nailed it. If you want to stop the shenanigans, tax the spice flow. There's a reason why AIG and the London whale were stationed in the City.

Got pigged. Rats. Move to new thread.

Rob Dawg wrote:

I was stupid. I thought an example would disprove the assertion of "minority positions and JVs". My bad.

I thought the example you provided of your assertion that "It is all Chinese asset acquisition/control" was disingenuous. My bad.

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