Going for first is so last century.

CR wrote:

For a few questions about what comes next, see from Joseph Cotterill at the Financial Times Alphaville: Greece, the post-election questions

Who should we see for answers about what comes next? Wink

So is this rally going to last longer than the Spanish bailout rally?

Why shouldn't the futes be green? We have a bailout friendly Greek government and QE3 this week... right?!?

Apparently the "markets" will get that new bailout money just a split second before the workers. If the savvy innovators can just trade it back and forth a few trillion times a second, they can produce real wealth on paper....

curious, no one knows ... except that it will be a disaster. The relief is the disaster won't be tomorrow - I guess.

Obviously they need to renegotiate the terms of the bailout. Right now there is no clear path forward except much more pain before Greece finally leaves the euro.

TJ and The Bear, I took "No" under QE3 this week.

Game Theory:

Which will give PASOK more rewards:
1 Two party coalition with New Democracy
2 Three or four party coalition with Syriza

CalculatedRisk wrote:

Greece finally leaves the euro.

How, exactly, does that happen? Stare

CalculatedRisk wrote:

no clear path forward except much more pain

I would feel better if it were the bankers feeling some of the pain.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

TJ and The Bear, I took "No" under QE3 this week.

Yeah, but markets are, um, "optimistic". Wink

Delusional markets are profitable markets, but you never know if it will profitable on the long or the short side.

New poll:

When will the Fed move to tenths or hundredths instead of quarter points? .25% of $100 trillion (in interest rate swaps) is two thousand, five hundred billion dollars That elusive pot of gold

Rajesh wrote:

How, exactly, does that happen?

why would you ask such a question, when everybody knows there is no knowing

so take your smugness and put it with some relish and mustard on a white bread bun

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Rajesh wrote:

How, exactly, does that happen?

When Athens looks like Bangladesh?

No SYRIZA

Everyone back off of the PRINT button

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

will the Fed move to tenths

I thought all the casinos were on same page; oui?

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volker the viking wrote:

why would you ask such a question

I keep hearing people say that Greece must leave the Euro, but it's nowhere in the Treaty. There is no legal mechanism for a country to exit the Eurozone.

I wish I could identify the source of this banker misinformation campaign.

How does Greece or Italy or Spain leave the Euro? What happens to the liabilities in Target 2?

Is leaving the Euro an act of war?

who was it was responsible for the disinformation?

Onward and upward to Dow 14,000!

So at what level of unemployment will the "job creators" start to create jobs? Now back to the yacht race

Once they do away with the minimum wage the hiring will take off.

Rajesh wrote:

What happens to the liabilities in Target 2?

That's the real disaster in the wings.
But I don't see why a country can't fully default and remain in the Eurozone.

sporkfed wrote:

Once they do away with the minimum wage the hiring will take off.

Needs More Cowbell Needs More Cowbell Needs More Cowbell

Have to get rid of most of the safety net as well.

sporkfed wrote:

Once they do away with the minimum wage the hiring will take off.

If the minimum wage were corrected for inflation since 1976 it would be nearly enough to live on. Above $15 an hour certainly, probably $20.

josap wrote:

Have to get rid of most of the safety net as well.

The safety net is a pittance compared to entitlements, unless of course you're reclassifying SS & Medicare/Medicaid.

Once they do away with the minimum wage the hiring will take off.

Once they do away with wages, the hiring will take off. Fixed It For Ya

Tom Stone wrote:

Above $15 an hour certainly, probably $20.

The hamburger flippers would all have Master's degrees, but we'd almost certainly have a guest-worker program (or automation) for everything else.

Tom Stone wrote:

Above $15 an hour certainly, probably $20.

But, but my cheese burger would be $60.00!!!!

OkieLawyer wrote:

Once they do away with the minimum wage the hiring will take off.

Once they do away with wages, the hiring will take off. Fixed It For Ya

Check out the Prison Industrial Complex.

Hooray! We're saved! Wait, wut?

TJ and The Bear wrote:

The hamburger flippers would all have Master's degrees, but we'd almost certainly have a guest-worker program (or automation) for everything else.

There are already robotic burger flippers.

Is leaving the Euro an act of war?

Whose side are you on?

she's going down Elmo!

World poised for a monetary black hole that suddenly disappears.

World banks don't print.

Markets Crying

Unintended Consequence #2834

Rajesh wrote:

Is leaving the Euro an act of war?

De facto or de jure? Which "de jure"? Does "war" = "guerre"? Who defines the terms? Are blitzkriegs legal in warfare?....

"Once they do away with the minimum wage the hiring will take off."

That reminds me, I saw a guy wearing the following t-shirt today

"GOP
LOL"

Tom Stone wrote:

If the minimum wage were corrected for inflation since 1976

why would there be any use for the Fed? Just peg it to the damn FFR, or CPI-U, with retroactive lump sum adjustments. Let Wall Street innovate some new scam for the billionaires.

*Once they do away with wages, the hiring will take off. Fixed It For Ya

Check out the Prison Industrial Complex. *

Actually, I made that very point a couple of days ago on another blog. Thanks for mentioning it.

There is a twitter feed by that handle that is pretty darn funny. Laughing out loud Actually it is https://twitter.com/#!/LOLGOP

I follow him/her, pretty funny usually.

the market can dow what the HFT's are set to do...low volume early summer bot rallys are the norm now...

OkieLawyer wrote:

*Once they do away with wages, the hiring will take off. Fixed It For Ya

Check out the Prison Industrial Complex. *

Actually, I made that very point a couple of days ago on another blog. Thanks for mentioning it.

It's beyond ugly. I do volunteer work in the local jail and have been around the fringes of our criminal justice system. Talking to people more familiar with what goes on left me with a foul taste in my mouth.

Tom:

Speaking of "volunteer" work, that is the other type of uncompensated work that many business (my profession being one of the abusers) employs to keep "costs" down. In the legal business, they are called "internships."

Even with corporate profits at all time highs, many business leaders insist they cannot be profitable without this "volunteer" labor.

Great. Now gas will go up.

Like this latest tweet:

LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP
Mitt Romney and John Boehner are what would happen if Don Draper stopped drinking and Pete Campbell didn't.

It's called uncompensted increased productivity in most businesses. Bonuses depend on it.

WOW, I knew Webb Simpson was going to win.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Are blitzkriegs legal in warfare?....

Winning is legal. Losing is not.

what else are seeing ahead..can I wager on it?

creditcriminalslovetarp wrote:

what else are seeing ahead..can I wager on it?

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| Reuters

Average home prices in China's 70 major cities fell 1.5 percent in May from a year earlier, Reuters calculations based on official data published on Monday showed, and the pace of decline picked up in major cities such as Shanghai.

It was the third straight monthly decline on a year-on-year basis since the government imposed strict curbs on property speculation more than two years ago, with the price decline deepening from a fall of 1.2 percent in April.

The only thing missing is "unexpectedly". Laughing out loud

OkieLawyer wrote:

Speaking of "volunteer" work, that is the other type of uncompensated work that many business (my profession being one of the abusers) employs to keep "costs" down. In the legal business, they are called "internships."

Even with corporate profits at all time highs, many business leaders insist they cannot be profitable without this "volunteer" labor.

My story is mildly amusing. I made one of those "God if you are there, get me out of this one and I'll" promises about 12 years ago and survived when I should not have. two days later someone I was acquainted with told me they needed help in the jails. I have always done my best to keep my deals. I still have no truck with organized religion, that well was poisoned a long time ago.

That's not income, is it? Isn't that what we produce?

The $15.4T includes stuff like imputed rents, like if you are paying a mortgage $1500 of that or whatever is earned by you for signing the check every month. Imputed rents are around a trillion or so IIRC.

Workers wages are much less, no? And don't Investors get a big part of it too without working at all?

Actual total personal income is ~$13T (red line);

FRED Graph - FRED - St. Louis Fed

wage income is blue, and non-wage personal income is green in that graph.

This graph:

Graph: Compensation of Employees, Received: Wage and Salary Disbursements (A576RC1)/Personal Income (PI) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

shows how wage income has been declining as a % of total income.

Greece can check out of the Euro any time it pleases, but it can never leave Europe...

Penniless serfs and robots have no money. Who will buy my pies?

The Muslim Brotherhood candidate won... something.
Egypt's Brotherhood declares its candidate president
| Reuters

The Brotherhood said Morsy won 52.5 percent of votes while Ahmed Shafik, an ex-military, secured 47.5 percent, Morsy campaign official Ahmed Abdel Atti told a news conference at the Brotherhood's party headquarters in Cairo. He added that these were initial results.

pavel.chichikov wrote:

Penniless serfs and robots have no money. Who will buy my pies?

Icelanders?

Comrade Troyski wrote:

imputed rents

IIRC, it's the difference between your mortgage payment and what the government considers the fair rental value of your property.

Tom Stone wrote:

I still have no truck with organized religion, that well was poisoned a long time ago.

A foolish thing to say, even on your own terms. Do you think only the unchurched work with the poor?

Your prayer was answered. Whose well is being poisoned?

pavel.chichikov wrote:

Who will buy my pies?

Let them eat galactaburika.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Let them eat galactaburika.

I was thinking of Greek deserts today. I liked them very much before I became unable to digest milk products.

Rajesh wrote:

The Muslim Brotherhood candidate won... something.
Egypt's Brotherhood declares its candidate president

If this is true then a military coup?

The Maastricht Treaty requires all member of the European Union to use the Euro except for Sweden and U.K. which have exemptions. Leaving the Euro would be a violation of the treaty, persumably, meaning leaving the European Union as well.

Goodbye visa free travel.
Goodbye the right to work in other E.U nations.
Goodbye structural funds.
Goodbye tariff free access to E.U. markets.

Just peg [the minimum wage] to the damn FFR, or CPI-U, with retroactive lump sum adjustments. Let Wall Street innovate some new scam for the billionaires.

Landlords take every penny of wage rises, and I have the graphs to show it : )

FRED Graph - FRED - St. Louis Fed

is the ground rent dynamic really this mysterious?

Sometimes Westbrook is too quick for his own good.

PastTense wrote:

If this is true then a military coup?

Seems like it. But the most of the Egyptian economy is run by the military.

That was an offensive foul on Lebron. He was throwing elbows and then lowered his shoulder into Harden. Rant

The game turned when they made that ridiculous call on Durant. Wade jumped into him and he gets his 4th....

RATM wrote:

That was an offensive foul on Lebron.

A slippery slope ever since he got a universal exemption for traveling.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

The game turned when they made that ridiculous call on Durant. Wade jumped into him and he gets his 4th....

Is there basketball on ? I don't recall any discussions of Kobe and the Lakers so nope.. there's no basketball on.

pavel.chichikov wrote:

I still have no truck with organized religion, that well was poisoned a long time ago.

A foolish thing to say, even on your own terms. Do you think only the unchurched work with the poor?

Your prayer was answered. Whose well is being poisoned?

Pavel, the volunteers I work with come from a variety of faiths. I respect their beliefs. Mine is very simple, right action. My parents would have described it as Karma Yoga. It works for me and if whatever gods there are find that insufficient I'm sure I will find out about it in due time. Or not, as the case may be.

Actually, it's nice to see good hard basketball without the dirty play of the Lakers and Indiana.

RATM wrote:

That was an offensive foul on Lebron.

Pretty sure it's been decided it's his year.

most of family as they are pie addicts...including me..

it's the difference between your mortgage payment and what the government considers the fair rental value of your property.

"the other entity is a landlord, who runs a small business owning and renting the house; the landlord has a net income, included in Personal Income (PI) and thence in National Income, constituting the gross rent less mortgage interest, property tax, maintenance, insurance and depreciation."

the stupid thing is that our housing costs have little to do with the actual capital cost of the housing good and everything to do with how much it cost us to not be second bidder for the title when it was purchased.

The primary reason we don't have a Jetson's economy is that we can't mass-produce land like we do other goods -- the more productive we are the more ground rents take it away.

Tom Stone wrote:

robotic burger flippers.

These too will see the impacts of the baby Boom Implosion; fewer burgers will be served and the nascent robotic burger flipper industry will melt like American cheese You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Speed wrote:

Unintended Consequence #2834

It's around #4567 that they get down to brass tacks: There is no spoon

Doc Holiday wrote:

These too will see the impacts of the baby Boom Implosion; fewer burgers will be served and the nascent robotic burger flipper industry will melt like American cheese You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Should I eat a McDonald's burger before I die?

Isn't it time for the tea and saki break in Asia, so they can discuss WTF Greece has to do with the NIKKEI? Gaaw-aawl-ly!

Tom Stone wrote:

It works for me and if whatever gods there are find that insufficient

To entertain ourselves during the sloooowwwwww traffic on the 101 early afternoon today I was going thru the various Christian doctrines that get you a good gig in the Sky ( yeah that's entertainment - like watching a program about the Bridges of London is entertainment ) - I enumerated ...
0. we were passing Cal Lutheran Uni so the wife asked - I didn't have a clue so I deftly switched subjects..

  1. at one end - the catholics.. just accept Jesus as your savior and irrespective of what you've done yer IN.
  2. Mormons - you gotta be baptized - then yer in. hence this stuff about baptising your ancestors.
  3. I got a bit lost on the Baptists - something about good works don't get you INTO heaven but doing them is to let the big man know that you believe.. and since you've persuaded him you believe THEN he lets you in.

What do the Lutherans believe then ?

Doc Holiday wrote:

It's around #4567 that they get down to brass tacks:

Go long tacks. They're gonna need a load to nail down Tarp 2.

which is why artificially propping up house prices is insane except for the landlords

Tom Stone wrote:

McDonald's burger

I see burgers of the future (@ McDonalds) as a mix between Soylent Green Patties and Jack Kevorkian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Kool-Aid

YouTube - IT'S PEOPLE!

Tom Stone wrote:

Pavel, the volunteers I work with come from a variety of faiths.

C'mon, you know his M.O. Did you not anticipate that he would log off before you could respond?

"Tom Stone wrote on Sun, 6/17/2012 - 8:02 pm (in reply to...)
reply
Doc Holiday wrote:
These too will see the impacts of the baby Boom Implosion; fewer burgers will be served and the nascent robotic burger flipper industry will melt like American cheese You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
Should I eat a McDonald's burger before I die?"

Not if you want a lead stomach and colon blow to be on your mind as you're walking towards the Pearly Gates.

skk wrote:

What do the Lutherans believe then ?

All the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

nail down Tarp 2.

Mittens already has that baked into his election show:

See: ""You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done."" Its a chopper, baby

Rajesh, I don't know. If someone can describe a clear path forward to recovery for Greece - that Germany will accept, and without leaving the euro - I'd like to hear it.

100 year bonds backed by beaches?
It will not be pretty, or nice.

skk wrote:

What do the Lutherans believe then ?

If I understand my Lutheran cousin correctly, there is a big schism resulting in two Lutheran sects with some animosity toward each other; the one group believing good works are required to secure one's place in Heaven, the other believing all you gotta do is fog a mirror. I may be paraphrasing.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

I'd like to hear it.

a variation of Brady bonds...

I believe Lutherans believe faith alone gets you into heaven , but
Faith without good works is dead.

skk wrote:

at one end - the catholics.. just accept Jesus as your savior and irrespective of what you've done yer IN.

Mormons - you gotta be baptized - then yer in. hence this stuff about baptising your ancestors.
I got a bit lost on the Baptists - something about good works don't get you INTO heaven but doing them is to let the big man know that you believe.. and since you've persuaded him you believe THEN he lets you in.

What do the Lutherans believe then ?

No clue and little curiousity. I know C of E believes in dressing well, or at least the grandma known as "The General" always wore her gloves and a hat when attending services. Twice a year, as an example to the common people.

Interesting. Time and time again, when asked to choose, voters choose bank bailouts and austerity.

poic wrote:

Not if you want a lead stomach and colon blow to be on your mind as you're walking towards the Pearly Gates.

making a pile of foul crap while standing at the Gates is probably not a good recommendation for entry.

Feckless Ness wrote:

Pavel, the volunteers I work with come from a variety of faiths.

C'mon, you know his M.O. Did you not anticipate that he would log off before you could respond?

It was not a surprise.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

I'd like to hear it.

Ron has a clue: I know nussing! NUSSING!

"I call upon the scientific [financial] community in our country, those who gave us nuclear [financial] weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace, to give us the means of rendering those [financial] nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete." No one 17 and under admitted

CalculatedRisk wrote:

I don't know. If someone can describe a clear path forward to recovery for Greece - that Germany will accept, and without leaving the euro - I'd like to hear it.

easy man.

GERMANY leaves the euro.

o yeah - will the Germans accept that ?

CalculatedRisk wrote:

that Germany will accept

Sovereignty. Sovereignty.

I don't remember Greece being annexed into the German Empire.

Greece will default on it's loans from the European countries and the IMF. And there is nothing Germany can do about it. Greece will have to pay back the money: the IMF always get its money back, but just not on the schedule currently agreed on.

The first order of business is to bring government to primary surplus. My suggestion is to pay 15% of government salaries above some minimum level with IOUs. That conserves cash. The government workers can wait for the government to redeem the IOU or they can sell them in the open market for what ever they can get.

sporkfed wrote:

I believe Lutherans believe faith alone gets you into heaven , but
Faith without good works is dead.

Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. Sebastopol is close enough for government work.

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

100 year bonds backed by beaches?
It will not be pretty, or nice.

Or, 5 20 year olds baking on on the beach: European Blond Spreads

poic wrote:

Should I eat a McDonald's burger before I die?"

Not if you want a lead stomach and colon blow to be on your mind as you're walking towards the Pearly Gates.

I'll pass then. It doesn't smell edible anyway.

skk wrote:

I don't know. If someone can describe a clear path forward to recovery for Greece - that Germany will accept, and without leaving the euro - I'd like to hear it.

easy man.

GERMANY leaves the euro.

o yeah - will the Germans accept that ?

In time, if they have to.

"JimPortlandOR wrote on Sun, 6/17/2012 - 8:16 pm (in reply to...)
reply
poic wrote:
Not if you want a lead stomach and colon blow to be on your mind as you're walking towards the Pearly Gates.
making a pile of foul crap while standing at the Gates is probably not a good recommendation for entry."

Even if I do 5 Hail Mary's?

poic wrote:

Even if I do 5 Hail Mary's?

Isn't that a little risky? Your wife doesn't seem like the type to share.

I just posted a book recommendation: The Man Who Quit Money

must I repeat myself..
for Greece, a variation of the Brady bond
which was a novel financial instrument of the time...
...
are you listening CR? or God? or...

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

100 year bonds backed by beaches?

Jersey Shore!

Oji wrote:

The Man Who Quit Money

who? Pol Pot?

poic wrote:

Even if I do 5 Hail Mary's?

Can you even throw a football further than thirty yards?

glimmerman wrote:

Interesting. Time and time again, when asked to choose, voters choose bank bailouts and austerity.

Not too hard to understand.
It's the austerity you know vs the depression and ostracization from the benefits of the group you are threatened with.

Oji wrote:

I just posted a book recommendation: The Man Who Quit Money

How much does he charge for it?

"sdtfs wrote on Sun, 6/17/2012 - 8:25 pm (in reply to...)
reply
poic wrote:
Even if I do 5 Hail Mary's?
Can you even throw a football further than thirty yards?"

No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express.

GERMANY leaves the euro

Makes the most sense actually. It will be unexpected.

think of the Mythos, Calimari and bikinis and I'm sold...

Rajesh wrote:

The government workers can wait for the government to redeem the IOU or they can sell them in the open market for what ever they can get.

The California system.

Germany would accept?

I agree there are possibilities, but all I hear is "Nein, nein, nein"!

I took tomorrow off to watch the Italy/Ireland match.
Didn't realize at time that it won't be much of a match.

josap wrote:

The California system.

Which is still alive and kicking. HCN.

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

How much does he charge for it?

Funny.
The author is an old friend of the subject. The subject received no compensation, by his own choice.
I, too, had my doubts about reading it, which I did upon recommendation of a friend. Even as an atheist, I found it a moving story of a man with a great deal of personal (and physical) courage-- even if I am skeptical of some of the accounts.

Greece has a 350 billion national debt.

Germany powered out of its FX issue with rentenmarks, secured by some sort of mortgage on the productive land of the reich (well, "rich" too I suppose).

Problem is Greece no doubt already has a heavy mortgage burden (which is sad considering they've been there for 3,000 years and you'd hope at some point they'd be able to pay the mortgages off), while Weimar Germany's inflation wiped out all senior liens I assume.

Greece has 50,000 sq miles so that's a rentenmark burden of $11,000 per acre.

If I were running Greece I'd institute a LVT -- but people who don't have me on ignore would already know I'd say that.

I had a purloined copy of "Steal This Book", but someone, uh, borrowed it and never gave it back.

CalculatedRisk wrote:

but all I hear is "Nein, nein, nein"!

Germany could set up similar instruments to the Bradys.
the USA did it because it could see a very dismal future for
Latin America, at least in the near term...
why doesn't Germany see this as their long term interest?

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A spokeswoman for China's space program remarked "Generally speaking, female astronauts have better durability, psychological stability and ability to deal with loneliness," according to Xinhua, which ranked her with Sally Ride, the first U.S. female astronaut, and Russian Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

I had a purloined copy of "Steal This Book"

saw Abbie speak at Columbia in '84... a real character...

Because of their short term interest.

So why no dancing in the streets in Germany? Laughing out loud

Switzerland and UK are broke too...maybe Japan is the first to crater....the race is on.

Not much divinity program at Cornell, but good works are encouraged.

The Billionaire Who Wasn't

Oji, the Amazon review posted by the best friend of "The Man Who Quit Money" is beautifully written and thought-provoking. Thanks for the recommendation.

sporkfed wrote:

Because of their short term interest.

you're in Batesville, MS... I think that's where my gf's family use to bury
people not very useful to them anymore...

Bubblisimo Gerkinov - I just posted a book recommendation: The Man Who Quit Money

Is this the guy living in the desert? He still scavenges, uses the public library for public access, etc.
He has stopped working, and using cash but he has not dropped out of society. I do kind of like the idea until you get sick and need a doctor, etc.

where's Mary ? talking about books I come across this review - doesn't surprise me at all of course..

How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans | World news | The Observer

Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870.

It doesn't surprise me because despite the key word that betray the truth - Union - the myth persists in the USA :

one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.

narratives are all very well but its quite a bit more complicated than that laddie, right ?

PastTense wrote:

Rajesh wrote:

The Muslim Brotherhood candidate won... something.
Egypt's Brotherhood declares its candidate president

If this is true then a military coup?

The coup already happened. This is a post-coup win!

Feckless Ness wrote:

the Amazon review posted by the best friend of "The Man Who Quit Money" is beautifully written and thought-provoking. Thanks for the recommendation.

You're most welcome. I generally don't read biographies-- the last being "Hirohito" several years ago-- yet enjoyed this one immensely.

What impact could the Wisconsin recall election have in November? – Cafferty File - CNN.com Blogs

According to CNNMoney.com, the public pension fund gap for police, firefighters, teachers and other city, county and state employees could be as high as $3 trillion, and that doesn't even include the cost of retiree medical care.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

with real character.

some fire breathing died in the wool communist chick got up to ask
a question about revolution in the streets and then followed it by a long rant
that might have sounded good around the time of the Spartacus League
making Hoffman deadpan:
"really, where do these people come from?"

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

I do kind of like the idea ...

Really?

Seems pretty inconvenient to me.

It's one thing to get things and services without spending money ... but to avoid using money altogether sounds like work.

I wouldn't doubt it. I'm not oginally from Batesville, and, all in all, it's ok.
Once retirement comes my way I'm gone.

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

Is this the guy living in the desert? He still scavenges, uses the public library for public access, etc.
He has stopped working, and using cash but he has not dropped out of society. I

He doesn't seem to use cash at all, but the rest is accurate. You probably have the correct man in mind. The book does detail the very emergency situations we all worry about, including medical care, and tells how he has managed to cope these past 12 years. The author also ponders what will happen as Daniel, the subject, ages-- he's in his early 50s in the book.

skk wrote:

Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870.

Did someone suggest that the War was fought to end hunger and disease? I must have missed that.

Don't buy the rally Monday morning. Nite

Doc Holiday wrote:

the public pension fund gap for police, firefighters, teachers and other city, county and state employees could be as high as $3 trillion, and that doesn't even include the cost of retiree medical care.

One of these days, this OMGWTFBBQ! stuff might actually come to fruition. Yaaaaawwwn

Bubblisimo Gerkinov -.. but to avoid using money altogether sounds like work.

Very much so, going it alone and basically going back to survival living is a lot of work. Done it a few times out of necessity because I had no money.
Now with so many homeless or couch surfing what little resources and services available are over taxed and it's much harder.

Doc Holiday wrote:

could be as high as $3 trillion,

Here is the CNN qoute.
Estimates of the public pension fund gap for police, firefighters, teachers and other municipal, county and state employees range from about $1 trillion to nearly $3 trillion.
The problem arose because elected officials have been too willing to keep workers happy with deferred compensation plans that would be paid long after they left office,
Huge government pensions gap spark backlash - Jun. 6, 2012

skk wrote:

Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870.

Which compares how to the death rate of the same causes, and others, under slavery during a typical 8-yr period?

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

some fire breathing died in the wool communist chick got up to ask
a question about revolution in the streets and then followed it by a long rant...

making Hoffman deadpan:
"really, where do these people come from?

Probably FBI. CIA plants are more sedate.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870.
...

evacuation of Phnom Penh in '75 had a similar effect.

I think if you look at any war torn area, you would find the same factors at work.

Doc Holiday wrote:

A spokeswoman for China's space program remarked "Generally speaking, female astronauts have better durability, psychological stability and ability to deal with loneliness," according to Xinhua, which ranked her with Sally Ride, the first U.S. female astronaut, and Russian Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space.

The only thing heroic thing I remember about Sally Ride is that he used the shuttle arm to smack a turdsickle off the side of the shuttle -- or was she the one on the ground who advised them on how to do it?

I don't think the plantation owners kept them in slave pens for their own good to avoid smallpox. Did the author compare mortality rates inclusive of the slaves who died in transit? Survivorship bias is a fine catch.

Count de Monet wrote:

The only thing heroic thing I remember about Sally Ride

She must have endured a shitload of BS from her male counterparts every day of her professional career. That's plenty heroic.

skk wrote:

narratives are all very well but its quite a bit more complicated than that laddie, right ?

Emancipation Proclamation 1863, Voting Rights Act 1963.

Oji wrote:

Which compares how to the death rate of the same causes, and others, under slavery during a typical 8-yr period?

good point.. as I come across data I'll share.

the issue I'm raising is that the war was about saving the Union on one side ( it wasn't just merely a fig leaf to get the more "what's it gotta with me or worse " Northerners to go along for the ride for a more moral imperative ). For the Southerners sure, it was about keeping slavery going.

Post war - nothing much came about of the "40 mules and a acre" did it ? that's the second issue.

narratives are all very well but its quite a bit more complicated than that laddie, right ?

You make it sound obvious, but Downs the author had to argue long and hard with his thesis adviser, Foner, a civil war expert, that what he documented was worth doing. Also conflicts with the up with freedom narrative that propelled the civil rights movement. Interesting interview with him in the Times book review, including the smallpox outbreak that killed thousands...try to find that in a standard text.

Feckless Ness wrote:

She must have endured a shitload of BS from her male counterparts every day of her professional career. That's plenty heroic.

Doubtful, she was one of six lady mission specialists (of 22 total) selected in 1978. It was a whole new scene by then.

NASA Astronaut Group 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looking back:
Real estate boom turns to gloom in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria (SETimes.com)
20/02/2012
The ongoing economic slump, rising unemployment rates, diminishing purchasing power, newly imposed property taxes and banks' conservative or no-loan policies have taken a massive bite out of the Southern Europe property market, which has screeched to a virtual standstill.
Throughout Southeast Europe, property owners are playing a similar game – hoping that prices begin to return this year to their pre-2008 levels, when the global housing bubble began to pop and sent economies crashing around the world.
But perhaps no one has suffered more than the Greeks, whose housing crunch is compounded by deep austerity measures that have increased taxes, slashed wages and forced many into unemployment as Athens desperately tries to avoid default.
The property market, a backbone of the local economy, has been the target of the government's last-ditch efforts to fill its coffers.
Taxes on property, transactions, emergency taxes as well as "fines" for illegal home modifications have left homeowners, especially those who have taken out loans, on the brink.
"I took out a loan based on my income to buy this house," says Zoi S., a 42-year-old high school teacher. "Now they've cut my salary by a third and I have to borrow money from my parents to pay the loan and get by…at this age."
"In previous decades, it was Germans and Britons who had the buying power, but in the past five months, I've been contacted by interested parties from Russia, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria and Israel.
"

Count de Monet wrote:

Doubtful, she was one of six lady mission specialists (of 22 total) selected in 1978. It was a whole new scene by then.

You have no idea.

The odd thing is that African Americans have been moving back to the South
reversing migration trends established in the Great Depression. CK complains
About the people in Florida, but their all from somewhere else.

speaking of Abe Lincoln
I see via the trailer for Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter
that he got on his quest due to the death of his beloved mom
and that somehow vampires were responsible...
Abe's mom died in Indiana about 20 miles from my house
... I know this kid named Charlie Chapman who liked to sniff
glue and dream up schemes... one was to steal Abe's mom's bones
from the cemetery... no way vampires were involved, that get-high-head Charlie would have been on that shit in a heartbeat...
** fuckin' Hollywood!**

I guess there will be no bonuses for the fund advisors. A shame, when they put in all that hard work throwing darts at paper.

Comrade Troyski wrote:

They need 7.5% pa, so 21.5% this next year will get them back on track.

FTA: The fund’s governing board in March lowered its assumed rate of return to 7.5 percent from 7.75 percent. The rate is used to calculate how much money the plan will need to cover promised benefits, and what employers must contribute. While the fund’s actuary recommended lowering the rate to 7.25 percent, the Calpers board said that would burden local governments when they were already facing financial strains.


The thing is bad years are back filled by taxpayers. It's real easy to make it look like 7.5%. What killed them was benefits creep. And yes, they are dead fund walking. A state that reneges on promises to children is a state that can break their retirees.

which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.

a WealthandWant Essential Document: "A.J.O." (prob. Mark Twain) - Slavery

Rob Dawg wrote:

While the fund’s actuary recommended lowering the rate to 7.25 percent, the Calpers board said that would burden local governments when they were already facing financial strains.

As if arithmetic gives a damn whether financial strains are caused or not.

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

fuckin' Hollywood

I saw that trailer and I still can't believe it's not a complete spoof. Vampires? Again?

fried wrote:

Interesting interview with him in the Times book review

thanks.. read that just now.

‘Sick From Freedom’ by Jim Downs, About Freed Slaves - NY Times

Feckless Ness wrote:

Count de Monet wrote:

Doubtful, she was one of six lady mission specialists (of 22 total) selected in 1978. It was a whole new scene by then.

You have no idea.

No, he doesn't.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

I saw that trailer and I still can't believe it's not a complete spoof. Vampires? Again?

ditto. I went - "huh ? this isn't for real is it ? "

Fuckin' Hollywood indeed. and I'm a FAN of it at that.. but sometimes they go too far.

Spain real estate ‘madness’ continues despite burst housing bubble | Economy | News | Financial Post
Spain continues to build even with 2 million homes vacant around the country
May 2, 2012
Spain, Europe’s fifth-largest economy, is the current focus of attempts to contain the region’s sovereign debt crisis, as Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy struggles to quell speculation it will need a bailout. Developers are showing similar optimism. They continue to build even with 2 million homes vacant around the country, new airports that never saw a single flight being mothballed, and property appraisers and banks reporting values have fallen only about 22%, said Encinar, who estimates the real decline is probably at least twice that.
On the plain below the central walled city of Avila, a world heritage site and a popular tourist destination, the province with a population of 171,680 has about 19,000 apartments and villas empty or unfinished, according to Borja Mateo, the author of “The Truth About the Spanish Real Estate Market.”
Ministry of Infrastructure figures show 23,419 homes were constructed in the decade through 2007, with another 11,000 homes built there since 2008. The sprawling developments are dotted with thousands of empty parking spaces, while streets have makeshift barriers where the money has run out, others simply end in fields.
The Spanish real estate bust is the biggest test to date for European authorities with Spain’s economy almost twice that of Greece, Portugal and Ireland combined.
“Banks are employing financing like a weapon of mass destruction to sell their stock and keep prices artificially high by using high loan-to-value mortgages,” said Mikel Echavarren, chairman of Irea, a corporate finance company that specializes in the real estate industry. “Today in Spain it’s easier to buy a 200,000 euro flat from a bank with 100% financing than buy a 150,000 flat from an individual homeowner where you have to have a 20% deposit.”

merchants of fear wrote:

“Banks are employing financing like a weapon of mass destruction to sell their stock and keep prices artificially high by using high loan-to-value mortgages,” said Mikel Echavarren, chairman of Irea, a corporate finance company that specializes in the real estate industry. “Today in Spain it’s easier to buy a 200,000 euro flat from a bank with 100% financing than buy a 150,000 flat from an individual homeowner where you have to have a 20% deposit.”

And "we" will continue bailing them out. Facepalm

skk wrote:

‘Sick From Freedom’ by Jim Downs, About Freed Slaves

So the editors decided that Freedom was to blame? If they wanted ambiguity, they could have chosen a different preposition, such as Sick With Freedom, otherwise it seems to be a cautionary tale about wanting not to be a slave [edit: and how terrible that is to desire to be free.].

Tom Stone wrote:

No, he doesn't.

(shrug) Then I must have a different definition of heroism. Whatever shit she may or may not have taken from being in a selection group lauded for its diversity doesn't qualify.

Now these are heroic astronauts.

Count de Monet wrote:

Whatever shit she may or may not have taken from being in a selection group lauded for its diversity doesn't qualify.

Monumental ignorance.

I guess my potential retirement villa in Spain awaits- cheap!

The stupidity of our ruling class is immense.

The failure of Greece because of the insane euro requirements is example prime of how neoclassical chicago style economics has failed to provide the advice necessary to advance out of this debt debacle.

Austerity has failed, but the political classes can't get it out of choice set.

Well, the markets are not worried, so why should we?

Someday this war's gonna end...

Someday this war's gonna end...

Citizen AllenM wrote:

The failure of Greece because of the insane euro requirements

Greece was doomed to failure by the sane euro requirements -- you know, the ones they agreed to when they joined.

merchants of fear wrote:

and banks reporting values have fallen only about 22%, said Encinar, who estimates the real decline is probably at least twice that.

I'm happy to see that NAR has embraced globalization. Obviously, kool-aid is being shipped overseas.

Feckless Ness wrote:

Monumental ignorance.

Gratuitous assertion.

TJ and The Bear wrote:

doomed to failure by the sane euro requirements

As most of the countries in the Eurozone no longer can meet the requirements, why don't they just change them?
Seems to work pretty well for when governments don't want to increase benefits or show higher GDP. And the DOW always will go up over years because they drop the lossers off the list.

JP wrote:

Obviously, kool-aid is being shipped overseas.

That kool-aid was dellivered by every lender in every country.
With big ice cubes in a fine glass on a silver tray.

pavel.chichikov wrote:

Winning is legal. Losing is not.

That is so totally true...

skk wrote:

Post war - nothing much came about of the "40 mules and a acre" did it ? that's the second issue.

I think you will find it was "40 acres and a mule"
40 acres and a mule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speed wrote:

GERMANY leaves the euro
Makes the most sense actually. It will be unexpected.

They would get crushed - exports would collapse - they need the euro more than Greece does.

Count de Monet wrote:

Gratuitous assertion.

That depends. Do you feel that there's nothing condescending or insulting by this remark?

The only thing heroic thing I remember about Sally Ride is that he used the shuttle arm to smack a turdsickle off the side of the shuttle

Which if you re-read Doc's quote, had no mention of heroism, merely some desirable attributes. So it seems you were taking a gratuitous swipe at an female astronaut.

JP wrote:

Obviously, kool-aid is being shipped overseas.

not just Kool-Aid. I see on FB my nephew in England celebrates some well made brownies by his wife.. Brownies ( wiki says invented in 1893 in Chicago ) ?????

Whatever happened to spotted-dick, suet pudding, jam roly-poly pudding, treacle tart, Bakewell tart.

sk2322 wrote:

Dollar Shortage Seen in $2 Trillion Gap Says Morgan Stanley - Bloomberg

From the link...

Central banks rebuilding foreign- exchange reserves at the fastest pace since 2004 are crowding out private investors seeking U.S. dollars, boosting demand even as the Federal Reserve considers printing more currency.

If they want them - let them have them. What they willing to give as collateral? Promises?

sdtfs wrote:

So it seems you were taking a gratuitous swipe at an female astronaut.

What fucking difference does her plumbing make?

Count de Monet wrote:

What fucking difference does her plumbing make?

Makes her more susceptible to casual insults.

sdtfs wrote:

Makes her more susceptible to casual insults.

Again, I don't see what the big deal was about Sally Ride beyond being a competent mission specialist.

And also again, withstanding being "more susceptible to casual insults" does not a hero make.

skk wrote:

I see on FB...

Apostate! Stone him! He worships at the forbidden portal!

"Makes her more susceptible to casual insults."

So. All this time I've been thinking a bunch of posters on here were male and now you tell me they're female?

Futures mojo fading. More magic dust Tinkerben!

MSFT announces own IPad tomorrow in CA?

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

MSFT announces own IPad tomorrow in CA?

ZunePad.

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

MSFT announces own IPad tomorrow in CA?

Just what I've always wanted: A BSoD that I can carry around to coffee houses.

Citizen AllenM wrote:

I guess my potential retirement villa in Spain awaits- cheap!

Keep waiting and it will get cheaper.

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

MSFT announces own IPad tomorrow in CA?

I'm starting to fill up at the thought.

Of course, they'll find a way to ruin it.

Count de Monet wrote:

Again, I don't see what the big deal was about Sally Ride beyond being a competent mission specialist.

Okay. If that's what you intended, then all I can say is your original comment seemed to convey more of an insulting tone. I doubt if you meant to, ah, deride her accomplishments, but I hope you can see why those who choose her as one of their heroes might get upset.

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

KinPad

MaxiPad?

I was just being flippant, though I do think it's pretty cool that she smacked a turdsicle off the side of the shuttle. IIRC, it was considered a possible hazard on reentry.

Count de Monet wrote:

I was just being flippant

I get mad at the people who think astronauts are brave,...I'd go in a heartbeat if they'd let me. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

sdtfs wrote:

I get mad at the people who think astronauts are brave,...I'd go in a heartbeat if they'd let me.

The bravery is not for the mission, it's for the admission process. (I went to school with one who made it. Duke Point)

sdtfs wrote:

I get mad at the people who think astronauts are brave,...I'd go in a heartbeat if they'd let me.

And you'd puke your guts out and hate the food and maybe get claustrophobia...

JP wrote:

The bravery is not for the mission, it's for the admission process. (I went to school with one who made it. Duke Point)

{Insert poopy-suit joke here...or several}

merchants of fear wrote:

and maybe

yeah, there's always that.
..
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..
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Who showed you my file?

could be worse. I'll keep a light on fer ya..

Count de Monet - does not a hero make.

How about getting you behind shot into space in a rocket made by the lowest bidder?
Works for me.

sdtfs wrote:

Who showed you my file?

barfly

Kauai_Kahuna wrote:

How about getting you behind shot into space in a rocket made by the lowest bidder?
Works for me.

How about you pay attention to what I wrote.

Count de Monet - How about you pay attention to what I wrote.

I did, and just made an off hand comment myself.

Rajesh wrote:

Goodbye visa free travel.
Goodbye the right to work in other E.U nations.
Goodbye structural funds.
Goodbye tariff free access to E.U. markets.

bah. the turks are increasingly glad they have not joined the eu/emu. and when all is said and done a number of nations will wish they hadn't.

Considering how messy the marriage was the divorce will be spectacular. Got Popcorn?

TJ and The Bear wrote:

Greece was doomed to failure by the sane euro requirements -- you know, the ones they agreed to when they joined.

you mean this sanity:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/06/17/opinion/061712krugman4/061712krugman4-blog480.jpg

sigh. some people eat bankster bull shit like its salted caramel budino.

Economist's View: Paul Krugman: Greece as Victim

krugman is absolutely right. blaming the victim is almost as popular as austerity.

yuan wrote:

TJ and The Bear wrote:
Greece was doomed to failure by the sane euro requirements -- you know, the ones they agreed to when they joined.

Krugman has an interesting comparison between the EU and the US. Pointing out that the US has a strong federal system while the EU is lacking one, he notes,

"Consider, for example, what would be happening to Florida right now, in the aftermath of its huge housing bubble, if the state had to come up with the money for Social Security and Medicare out of its own suddenly reduced revenues. Luckily for Florida, Washington rather than Tallahassee is picking up the tab, which means that Florida is in effect receiving a bailout on a scale no European nation could dream of."

I wonder how many Floridians realize this?

His column is still behind the paywall but is summarized on some other blogs.

traderwalt wrote:

I wonder how many Floridians realize this?

The employed ones that see the first 30% of their pay go to D.C. every pay period?

Rob Dawg wrote:

The employed ones that see the first 30% of their pay go to D.C. every pay period?

I don't think so. Neither do the rest of the Americans who resent the government, but depend on government spending for their livelihoods, security, drug, food, or airline safety regulation, etc.

(Dow up 45, nothing to do right now; so I'm going back to bed.)

Does he seem to avoid blaming big bank risky lending everywhere incl. Europe?

krugman is absolutely right

He does mention the 'huge housing bubble' and 'the bubble burst'.
And then a 'perhaps fatally — flawed monetary system' and he says 'Blame the euro' and 'Foreign money poured into Greece...'.
Then he says 'we have a strong central government, and the activities of this government in effect provide automatic bailouts to states that get in trouble.'
So he likes bailing out the rigged casino system.
His emphasis is on bailing out the wreckless bubble makers & big spenders & lenders, it seems, which some on HCN agree with...

blaming the victim is almost as popular as austerity

Where is austerity popular? It's forced down people's throats.

merchants of fear wrote:

Where is austerity popular?

In countries that big fat Germans call "PIIGS". Greek austerity is popular in France and Germany.

Slobbering Senators Woo Dimon While They Gut Dodd-Frank - Bloomberg

one need look no further than the kind of slobbering, fawning comments that many members of the Senate Banking Committee -- on both sides of the aisle -- used to greet Dimon during his two-hour hearing last week.
Instead of pushing him to explain why, two years after the signing of the Dodd-Frank law, he encouraged his bankers and traders to take risks that shouldn’t be taken with his depositors’ money, we got this from Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina: “We can hardly sit in judgment of your losing $2 billion. We lose twice that every day here in Washington. And plan to continue to do that every day. It’s comforting to know that even with a $2 billion loss in a trade … your company still, I think, had a $19 billion profit. During that same period, we lost over $1 trillion.” He concluded: “So the intent today is really not to sit in judgment but to maybe understand better what happened.”
Good Lord, can this really be happening?

Slobbering Senators Woo Dimon While They Gut Dodd-Frank - Bloomberg

President Barack Obama signed the 2,300-page Dodd-Frank law nearly two years ago, in July 2010.

2,300 pages of what?

JP Morgan debacle shows data limitations | Top News | IFRe
19 May to 25 May 2012
The ease with which JP Morgan’s chief investment office appears to have built a US$100bn position in an illiquid credit index without the blink of a regulatory eyelid has called into question the ability of trade repositories to flag up irregularities before they result in crisis situations. It also highlights the lack of regulatory capacity to monitor the sheer volume of data now being amassed.
While the aggregate data are public, regulators also have access to more granular information, enabling them to identify the exposure of individual counterparties that fall under their jurisdiction.
Industry bodies including the International Swaps and Derivatives Association have long argued that data repositories play an important role in monitoring and reducing counterparty risk.
But even with a wealth of trade information available, JP Morgan’s growing exposure to an illiquid off-the-run credit index appears to have gone unnoticed.
As such, there may have been little indication that a potentially toxic position was being amassed.
“It might be that it was a bit difficult to spot because JPM is a very large institution and has important notionals all over the place – because its client activity is very important,” said the global head of credit trading at a European House
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Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

Check under the budget/funding link on the website:
The CFPB budget > Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
And 'funding (requests and) acknowledgement(s) from the Federal Reserve Board'.

Swaps are a license to write unregulated unlimited notional insurance to cover any bets. If it seems risky, just write your shadow a swap on the other side for a little more. Cash out bonuses all around. Hit up the Fed when the crash comes or the world "economy" blows up...

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 (Dodd-Frank Act) established the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection (CFPB or Bureau) as an independent bureau within the Federal Reserve System and made it responsible for protecting consumers from abusive financial services practices.
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2011/02/CFPB-2012-BIB.pdf

Well naturally the banks should pay the salaries of their regulators. They should make the banks pay the judges for foreclosure orders also. Fair is fair...

Hit up the Fed when the crash comes or the world "economy" blows up...

Risk transfers... and they are considered 'legal'? Or out of the area of regulation.

Well naturally the banks should pay the salaries of their regulators.

Then complaints sit at the bottom of a big stack on the desks of a few 'investigators'... and now HUD's Office of Investigation won't take complaints and transfers them to CFPB and maybe, well, it might take a while or maybe the complaint will stay at the bottom of the pile...

merchants of fear wrote:

and they are considered 'legal'? Or out of the area of regulation.

I'd like to see 50 State AG's and 50 State insurance commissioners challenging that crap in federal court. But judging by the foreclosure settlement they're happy to play ball.

the foreclosure settlement

This settlement doesn't take care of all the pooled, pledged, & assigned highly rated junk debt (mortgages & receivables) transferred from originators in SPV's and trusts that's still blowing up from continued defaults undercutting promised interest rates of the junk bonds and other securitized investment products created in the bubble years...

I'd like to see 50 State AG's and 50 State insurance commissioners challenging that crap in federal court.

Me too.

The CFPB is funded by authorized transfers from the Federal Reserve System - CFPB link

Obvious conflict of interest?

This is important:
On the designated transfer date, July 21, 2011, certain consumer protection authorities will transfer to the Bureau from seven existing federal agencies.
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2011/02/CFPB-2012-BIB.pdf

merchants of fear wrote:

Obvious conflict of interest?

What if the public defender's office had to get the prosecutor's office to sign off on all expenses, and they shared the same budget?

Morning

Till debt do us part this earth.

Smile

Lets take a coffee break

The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) is nearing completion of a $500,000 upgrade of old video cameras used to monitor its new “customs controlled areas,” including the primary inspection area for arriving international passengers

Read more: Ottawa airport wired with microphones as Border Services prepares to record travellers’ conversations

Shock That's a pretty sizable jump!

Open: 6.84000
High: 7.13900
Current: 7.11700

It appears to me and my highly untrained eye that each crisis resolution produces desired positive affects which are weaker and weaker/shorter and shorter in duration by the only measure that appears to count, the markets.

Uh oh. Elmo!
10 yr. back to 1.59.

We have the G-20, G-7 and the Federal Reserve meeting this week. Next week the E-4, E-17 and E-28 have meetings.
Go long hot air; short action.

Nanoo - ac was saying that very same thing a few days ago.

Go long hot air; short action.

If we're lucky.

Outsider wrote:

Nanoo - ac was saying that very same thing a few days ago.

Thanks Outsider, I didn't see it so my apologies to ac. At least that is a good sanity check for me that my perceptions aren't totally off.

and oh..this has probably been discussed already too but Ruh-roh

Egypt Stocks, Bonds Fall as Military Curtails President’s Powers - Bloomberg

Oji wrote:
I just posted a book recommendation: The Man Who Quit Money
BG: How much does he charge for it?

New Keyboard

Leave it to BG.

Shock

India stuns, keeps rates steady as growth crumbles
| Reuters

...

India's March quarter economic growth of 5.3 percent was far worse than expected and the weakest annual pace in nine years. The data sparked calls from industry for immediate action to lift an economy that Standard & Poor's says could be the first BRIC nation to lose its investment-level credit rating.

Meanwhile, April industrial output figures last week suggested little pickup in economic growth heading into the current quarter.

The government is politically hamstrung, so is unable to drive reform and its deep fiscal deficit leaves it no room to provide stimulus spending at a time when the euro area debt crisis is weighing on the global economy, a factor set to dominate a G20 meeting in Mexico on Monday and Tuesday.

...

Okay, found it:

ac wrote on Mon, 6/11/2012 - 1:32 pm (in reply to...)
This is what the historical record suggests...
Each bailout and round of stimulus will become less and less effective until the point where the mere mention of bailouts or stimulus will cause outright panic.

Sounds reasonable.

I see the way is prepared for Fed reopening of international dollar swap lines.

Outsider wrote:

Okay, found it:

You have earned official HCN gumshoe status. Wink Thanks Outsider. He said it better than I did too (no surprise there).

burnside wrote:

Fed reopening of international dollar swap lines.

I'm not sure I understand completely the implications or potential consequences of this.

For Bullish sentiment to continue, DOW needs to break 12,864 and S&P needs to break 1348

Bearish DOW 12,679 S&P 1339. QE3 noise we could see another 100 point upside, no QE3 expect a 600 pt sell off. Place your bets wisely.

Everyone is hoping for Easing, especially with OP Twist deadline coming and the econo numbers as of late have been, well not stellar to say the least.

If we get some form of QE I am calling DOW 14,000...yep.

It appears to me and my highly untrained eye that each crisis resolution produces desired positive affects which are weaker and weaker/shorter and shorter in duration by the only measure that appears to count, the markets.

I think that's pretty much correct Nanoo. This is all way beyond my understanding, but I think the basic problem is that the Euro_peans are trying to force the Euro to behave in ways that are fundamentally unworkable. A single currency isn't rocket science. Countries as diverse as the US, Russia, Britain, and Brazil manage to maintain a single currency. Even Iraq which has three pretty much autonomous provinces with their own damn army has a single currency. In fact, the only country I can think of that doesn't have a single currency is China which allows local currencies in Macao and Hong Kong because the economies in those areas need a fully convertable currency which the renminbi currently isn't.

I'm coming to suspect that the problem isn't the Euro at all. The problem is that some Europeans have made some (stupid) loans that are not going to be repaid and they refuse to face up to their self-inflicted problems. In the meantime, the Greeks, Irish, Spanish, etc are suffering not only for their own past mistakes, but from the consequences of German arrogance and incompetence.

shill wrote:

If we get some form of QE I am calling DOW 14,000...yep.

Does Ben have the testicular fortitude to fire off his last bullet? What happens when news from Europe turns the market lower and he is unarmed?

We have the G-20, G-7 and the Federal Reserve meeting this week. Next week the E-4, E-17 and E-28 have meetings.

Yipee! Free croissants all round. Too late in the year for skiing, but maybe participants can work in a round or two of golf. If it weren't for the "free" food and drink, I wonder how many folks would show up for these parties.

The differences are that the nations you mention are all politically single sovereigns. This is one reason I was stunned when the Euro was introduced as it is a coalition of sovereigns under one currency without unified authority. To me, and again I'm hardly an expert, this is the EU's Achilles heel and basic flaw.

Does Ben have the testicular fortitude to fire off his last bullet? What happens when news from Europe turns the market lower and he is unarmed?

Tuesday the ECB conducts its fine tuning operation, so we shall see. Everyone, yours truly included was looking for a Euro dump...still waiting.

What happens when the Greeks can't afford to hold
elections anymore ?

sporkfed wrote:

What happens when the Greeks can't afford to hold
elections anymore ?

Trade for boxes of voting ballots with hanging chads?

I was thinking more along the lines of a military takeover there.
Will the Greek military be beholden to the banks ?

What happens when the Greeks can't afford to hold
elections anymore ?

Hold on let me check and see...we have problems of our own ...the Greek drama needs to move on.

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I was thinking more along the lines of a military takeover there.
Will the Greek military be beholden to the banks ?

Don't Drone me bro

military takeover

Not allowed in the EU mandate.

No ECB printers, no free monies.

G20 might do something. But not soon.

No free monies.

And we know what Mr Addicted Market makes of that.

G-20 Said to Discuss Mix of Global Stimulus If Needed - Bloomberg

C

The differences are that the nations you mention are all politically single sovereigns.

That's the conventional view. And for all I know it's right. But I'd point out that as a practical matter Kurdistan probably has greater autonomy than Spain. But somehow using the Iraqi dinar for a currency hasn't destroyed its economy despite the economic chaos elsewhere in the country pursuant to the mismanagment of Iraq's economy by George the Clueless and his merry band of spectacularly inept free marketers.

Not allowed in the EU mandate.

Funny thing Barley its not allowed in our mandate either and yet I read stories of downed DRONES in our own back yards.

I know Tinfoil Hat

I would imagine rules will be ignored in the future as in the past.

Two recommendations:

Eco-tour FL Everglades.

Sailing around Dry Tortugas

Eric - He go winded in the home stretch and had to bow out for a bit.

Eric wrote:

WHAT HAPPENED TO ?

It's difficult to sheer the sheeple without an occasional head fake or two.

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