Bank Failure #92 in 2011: Western National Bank, Phoenix, Arizona
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First.
Phoenix, huh? What are the odds?
Man, I thought I would get a funny Comment out of that Sound Barrior joke.
What a bunch of humorless jokers.
So they ruined our economy,
so they stole our Tax dollars,
so we may slide deeper into a recession.
SMILE ! You only go around once you know.
Whiskey wrote:
Commercial loans?
Lots of those going / gone bad. The lenders have been trying to do workouts but there are just too many vacants and rents too low in many buildings.
Hey Dryfly, you around?
Nother zinger in the continuing "Mr. Blandings' Dream House" that I'm presently trying to prop up....
Cousins husband relates that the Radiant Floor Guy (to whom said husband gave 3.5K, at a Burger King, without even a proposal ... ) told him the "he owns--and made--- the die for the heat transfer extrusions that the factory is making for the job", along with some song about having to place the order with an agent in one state who then sends it to the factory in another state....
As far as I know said extrusions are readily available for the DIY'er on the WWW.
justaskin wrote:
That is your clue.
Unless the guy is trying to get more money from cousin's husband, he will disapear shortly.
Small bank failures have gotten passe. Wake me up when one of the top 20 go under, or one of the top 20 in Europe.
For the old timers:
YouTube - Phoenix-Dan Fogelberg
Cobradriver wrote:
Cylinder head guy said the repair shop that is welding my cracked guide is backed up and they just got to the head this week
Chris...curious....welding the casting around a pressed in guide, or is the guide integral to the casting? Me, head-scratching....
Dry wrote....."I never assume products I really like are going to be around in their current version forever. If there is a product I like and I expect its close to perfection - BUY IT NOW - before it is cost reduced to uselessness and sold at as high or higher a price than ever."
Man, I'd be like Imelda, but with a whole lot fewer styles....
josap wrote:
I actually think the guy isn't a pure scam artist. He's basically, I think. selling stuff he's buying @ retail, to my cousins husband @ retail++. He "doesn't really want to do the installation (of the plates and tubing) but won't let anyone else install the pumps and controls"...and "that saves you $$$".....
It's gonna be a long slog on this project....
Mr Slippery wrote:
You're going to have a long, long nap.
man, the bar at the secret forum must be hopping tonight!
So our own Government turns out to be the biggest threat to Our Freedoms,
So our elected officials voted themselves to be more important (to our Freedom) than our Constitution or Bill of Rights HR 1867.
Come On Smile,
It's not the end of the world, Just the end of ...........................
Bad Dawg Bobby wrote:
They came for Bad Dawg Bobby, but I was watching tv, so I did nothing.
Christmas party time maybe.
For weeks I've gone with 3 banks in the poll thinking sooner or later I'll be right. This week of course I deviated from that strategy to go with none figuring with only 2 shopping weekends before Christmas that the FDIC might take off the rest of the year.
Oh well.
Mr Slippery wrote:
Come on, you know TPTB will never let that happen. They'll give them a few more tens of trillions of dollars (or Euros) before they let that happen.
Dryfly wrote "Those kinds of products would be ideal for us AND we have the systems in place to make sure the parts actually function as designed. We expect that will be an increasing requirement after BP."
Dunno, Dry....the blowout preventer manufacturer settled w/BP for 250K, wasn't it. Who needs "works" when the price of "sort of works" is so low....
Mike in Long Island wrote:
Thanks for playing, Mike.
Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:
I've got Bourbon, but no Eggnog. Hmmm....hot toddy FTW!
These nothingburger banks are like collecting aluminum cans on the side of the road, compared to the big show.
OK, we got our two, you can stop now. Go get some pizza, you deserve it.
Mr Slippery wrote:
Once we get through bonus season, you might get luckier. End-of-year concentrates minds.
Adorno wrote "Finishing the chicken coup today."
I swear, you people....what did the chicken ever do to you? Are you wringing it's neck slowly?
justaskin wrote:
He's choking the chicken.
Edelbrock Victor Jr aluminum heads. The guy porting them presses the guides out to make it easier so when he found the cracked boss it was a pretty simple fix.
I had completely forgotton about what caused it. A few years ago I broke a valve spring. The inner spring kept the valve from falling all the way in. The valve had a very slight "S" curve in it. I pulled the heads,replaced the valve,upgraded the springs,lapped the valves in and they worked fine.
Nothing time and money won't fix...
Chris
this the first from Arizona?
justaskin wrote:
Is that what he wrote? Most people I'd think it was a typo, but Adorno's might be able to count coup on a chicken. Probably tags the top of their heads.
edit: Counting coup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think I picked two again this week.
Then again, for a couple more failures, I will happily be wrong again.
More! Show me
ing passion!
YouTube - Johnny Depp torturing Warwick
Cobradriver wrote:
Lucky.
hey gnome, I caught a 'news' story about these three kayakers going over a 90 foot waterfall in some national or state park
was that you?
Utah's unemployment rate drops to lowest since 2009 | Deseret News
"Utah’s job market is strengthening as the state’s unemployment rate dropped to 6.4 percent in November"
That's pretty low...an estimate of the 40 year avg NAIRU is around that number:
The NAIRU: Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment: Archive Entry From Brad DeLong's Webjournal
Mine is in the oven...
Infer what you want you sick
s.
Chris
volker, " I caught a 'news' story about these three kayakers going over a 90 foot waterfall in some national or state park "
Whoaaa, On purpose ??
I'd say you're a lot of fun at cocktail parties.
was that you?
No. That was Marshall, Will and Holly.
Cobradriver wrote:
We don't have to infer...
yep
volker the viking wrote:
No sir.
Noccalula Falls Full Edit w/ POV on Vimeo
I should have known. They looked so.......tall, even though squatted into their boats
bout time
I'm looking at the Lehmann Amish catalog and once again realized the amount of knowledge required to live that kind of life, off the grid, farming, home health and canning, etc is amazing.
nova wrote:
Well, no, not so much these days, when you can just Googl... oh, wait,
True that, for sure. And a lot of that skillset has been lost in industrialization. Once lost you can regain it, but the learning curve kills. Or at least that's what I've found.
I had been at Speedworld the day before. I was on my way to work from my Brother place in Titusville. I got off the off ramp for work and it started missing. I crawled into the parking lot and parked it.
At lunch I fired it up and heard something funny from the right valve cover. I pulled it and pieces fell out on the ground. Time for a hook home!
ETA...I'll take luck over skill any day...
Chris
HomeGnome wrote:
Holy F
k! Those people are masochists. 
Josap, you have thank you mail
I figure the FDIC is just throwing darts at this point.
FYI,I was just there in May. It's one of the runs we make in the Cobra from Gadsden.
It's a really nice drive and the falls look good...
Chris
Gutsy, Gutsy dudes !!!
steelhead wrote:
Nope, just really good at
They are professionals.
Isaac Levinson won the Green River Race in NC this year.
YouTube - 2011 Green River Narrows Extreme Kayak Race
That's why I don't bother with survivalist stuff. To do it correctly would basically require doing it full-time, and going full survivalist NOW. Most people wouldn't survive a true collapse of civilization, and don't really understand what it would mean.
Just think about using a scythe
are you in good enough shape to swing one for more then 10 minutes
what kind
the european style ones need a 2 step sharpening process
do you know how to do that
There is no way to learn all you need to know to survive a full collapse without living it that lifestyle for years beforehand
nova wrote:
Exactly.
One last broadside: 'Cult of Mormon' comment leads Newt Gingrich's Iowa political director, Craig Bergman, to resign | Deseret News
""There is a national pastor who is very much on the anti-Mitt Romney bandwagon," Bergman said in the story on the focus group meeting posted at TheIowaRepublican.com. "A lot of the evangelicals believe God would give us four more years of Obama just for the opportunity to expose the cult of Mormon. …There's a thousand pastors ready to do that.""
A constituency the POTUS didn't know he had. Wierd.
Cobradriver, " It's one of the runs we make in the Cobra from Gadsden."
Over the waterfall in your Cobra ????? Whoaaaa.
nova wrote:
Even Lehman's doesn't offer a set of lab equipment w/instructions for manufacturing small quantities of antibiotics. Or cortisone, or antihistamines or pain medications.
People must have made a living as scythe techs once
I actually have one at the 'rents. It was my Grandfathers. Yes,I can use it.
I prefer having the stereo cranked in the John Deere S680 combine...
Chris
I might be crazy but I'm not completely insane.
We stand in the parking lot and look.
Then we go run some more backroads...
Chris
nova wrote:
Preferably from childhood.
In China, when they were sending city intellectuals to the communal farms, the peasants were disgusted at these useless people who had to be fed, who didn't know how to work, and hadn't the strength and endurance for it.
Gnome, that was some cool beans
nova wrote:
Nice to know that in a pinch, all the Wall Street banksters can still be put to good use.
Not as scythe techs - as scythe sharpness testers.
"OK, right there. Now stand up straight. And hold still."
The Obama-is-a-sekrit-mooslim bit has worn thin and lost its lustre, the new shiny in religious drama is the Cult of Mormonism TM.
volker the viking wrote:
volker, one of the more awesome things about the Green River Race is that it is still corporate sponsor free after 15 years!
Now, how NOT to do it.
YouTube - 2011 Green River Narrows Extreme Kayak Race
Civilization already collapsed when we lost the capacity to feel shame. The rest is merely inertia tempered by entropy.
Auld lang scythe
"My 2,000 year old cult laughs at your 200 year old cult."
I started reading a book today where the author begins by stating that he is at the end of his life and that one of the things he realized was there is no straight line answers, you will never know all the facts, and that most history is really modals connected only by happening in the same time/space. To think you grasp world wide, regional, economic trends or can forecast them marks you as a fool.
YouTube - Bix Beiderbecke - I'm Coming Virginia - 1927
nova wrote:
Hence the name of this blog.
It's also the motto of the human race.
"How was I supposed to know that?"
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
How's the Albatross coming along?
I have a small collection of hardware store catalogs from the early 1900's. Once of the products I noticed was a canvas wrapper for carrying tools. The assumption was the carpenter would be walking to the job site.
I was surprised to learn barn designers in the 20's were well aware of building hog houses to maximize solar gain. There were also big debates over the merits of building cow barns with the cows facing in or facing out.
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
When shame dies we will begin to devour one another. Not yet. Perhaps not ever.
What is the title of this book? It sounds interesting.
"How was I supposed to know that?"
And in the end it doesn't matter.
The quest for knowledge is a sideshow, not the end all be all.
LBD wrote "I raced with a guy worked for GM and told me to get to build a new and better TBI unit they had to sell the bean counters on a new sexy hood design the low profile injector made possible."
Yep, them old injectors was big as granmas ears, dang it
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Exactly. It's one of the best shows around right now.
Amazon.com: Cultural Amnesia: Necessary Memories from History and the Arts (9780393333541): Clive James: Books
Cobradriver wrote:
OK..."welding the valve guide" tingled my spidey sense......tnx
Outsider wrote:
How do you know it doesn't?
I don't know about preparing yourself for living off the land, but backpacking teaches valuable skills that is about as close to survivalism as you'll ever get, and its fun too.
And as an added bonuse, 99% of the population has so dumbed down itself physcially, they'll never be around to mess things up when you're in the back of beyond...
My 2,000 year old cult laughs at your 200 year old cult.
In Leesburg, holiday displays bring controversy and change - The Washington Post
Baby Jesus is keeping strange company.
For the better part of 50 years, a creche and a Christmas tree were the only holiday displays on the Loudoun County Courthouse grounds.
Then came the mannequin Luke Skywalker and signs celebrating the winter solstice. This month, a skeleton Santa Claus was mounted on a cross, intended by its creator to portray society’s obsession with consumerism. A pine stands adorned with tinsel – and atheist testimonials. (“I can be moral without religion,” one declares.)
Members of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are scheduled to put up their contribution this weekend. It’s a banner portraying a Nativity-style scene, but Jesus is nowhere to be found. Instead, the Virgin Mary cradles a stalk-eyed noodle-and-meatball creature, and the manger is surrounded by pirates, a solemn gnome and barnyard animals. The message proclaims: “Touched by an Angelhair.”
The Flying Spaghetti Monster laughs at all your cult, no matter how old they are.....
How do you know it doesn't?
Observation and life experience.
Everybody better go get their benjamins out of the bank as today I went to BofA and extracted 2K out. The teller apologized saying they are running low on hundred dollar bills as many people have been coming in during christmas time for what I guess is large sums of cash. Funny thing is that the teller asked me if I wanted a 1oz gold coin and $500 in cash instead of all cash.
Tom in AZ wrote:
Was happy mail too.
Thank you.
nova wrote:
"Bake the Bread, Buy the Butter"
Did you catch the "making a cheeseburger from scratch" link? Turns out to be well nigh impossible...
Outsider wrote:
But in the end you don't matter. You said so yourself.
Found your photo online JD
Redirect Notice
edit, no maybe this one
Redirect Notice
Obama White House now saying they will not veto the Keystone pipeline deal if it is part of the payroll tax cut. Well, ok.
And yesterday, Obama said he would fold on the America Needs a Gulag Act, and would sign it. Well, ok
You can count on Obama, to be spineless.
Spatch wrote:
i have a beanie baby price guide magazine from the 90's. gem mint. peanut the elephant was going for $4k+.
wanna trade?
HomeGnome wrote:
Swimmingly. (in keeping with the water motif)
Got the head cabinet built this week. The last of the doors and drawers in the cabin got their latches. The door for the head is abuildin'. And the bow roller parts are almost ready for the welder, (not me.) It's all 316L and we have a very good TIG welder in the house.
Next week it's the galley fronts... more doors and drawers, and shelves. Then it's on to the mechanicals.
volker the viking wrote:
hey gnome, I caught a 'news' story about these three kayakers going over a 90 foot waterfall in some national or state park
was that you?
No sir.
Noccalula Falls Full Edit w/ POV on Vimeo
I think this illustrates the accepted (?) data that males don't have the part of the brain that evaluates risk, developed until age 21 to 23 or so. It's nice to have a scientific explanation of how dumb f@ckers can be.
I missed that but I do want the boot cricket.
YouTube - Judita Čeřovská - Měsíční řeka (Moon river)
But in the end you don't matter. You said so yourself.
Oh no, I never said that. "you" are everything.
Outsider wrote:
So you do matter? How?
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
"And all the boards did grow;
Battens, battens, every where,
May just drive me to drink."
Keep up the good work, Bosch.
nova wrote:
So is the scythe the epitome of human powered reaping?
that's why I live in San Francisco
Denzel Washington has to go thru hell to get here in "the Book of Eli" movie, thus carrying St. James in his head while blind...
I'm just cutting out that trip to hell part...and if I things get bad, I lose my loved ones, I will paddle out in giant Mavericks and go out in style...
You're funny pavel. But I'm not going to let you draw me in.
Besides, I'm not that coherent at the moment - too little sleep lately.
JimPortlandOR wrote:
http://www.isaackayak.com/
Like I said; they are professionals.
fried wrote:
The bill just requires Obama to make a decision in 60 days on Keystone..he can still kill it if he wants.
Everyone who's still here this time next December will be saying: Imagine that. Who could have expected that...
Was mixing margaritas ... what did I miss?
Outsider wrote:
that's how I do it.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
You changed the statement.
It seems so. Also of ergonomic design and metal blade production
YouTube - Warpaint - 'Majesty (Rough Trade Sessions)'
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pavel.chichikov wrote:
Keeps the DNA coiling....
I forgot the statement.
that's how I do it.
What are you up to lately? I don't think it's bees.
New biz, maybe.
Mr Slippery wrote:
Zzzzzzzz...zzzzzzzzz.....snorfle...zzzzzz.....
Wake me up when one of the G20 goes under.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
Wait, what's the term of art, again?
justaskin wrote:
I thought it was one of those tropical worms you can draw out on a pencil.
+1. It's actually picking up nicely around here. I can't even stand to go to Sams on Wednesday like I usually do. The place is insane.
Amazing what cheaper housing and a little disposable income will do for an area...
Sucks if you bought the hype and bought at the top though.
Chris
What are you folks taking to sleep so good?
Outsider wrote:
It's coming along nicely.
creditcriminalslovetarp wrote:
A strenuous hike every day will do it.
we just added 4 people..I'm off to new client in SLC..
but then I drive down the streets and see much different...
Good - keeps you out of trouble.
I won't ask questions, but maybe someday you'll fill us in.
But - privacy and all that.
I only sleep 4-5 hours a night.
CPAP and flat worn out from working takes care of the rest.
Chris
hard to do at work...
Outsider wrote:
YouTube - AC/DC - Dirty deeds done dirt cheap with lyrics
Inside the 1% | The Big Picture
:guillotine:
Think I will read. Can't seem to do the rewrites I need to do.
YouTube - Billie Holiday - I'll Be Seeing You
cclt<
I have a clean conscience which allows me to sleep peacefully.
That 2nd photo looks like a homeless backpacker.
creditcriminalslovetarp wrote:
Most of my wife's family way back worked in lumbering and farming. She says they got old and stringy and stayed strong.
My great grandfather was a fur trapper. People who knew him say he was a jolly old fellow.
Our life styles do us in.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
All part of God's plan, Pavel
'Internet is for Porn' pops up during House SOPA debate | Privacy Inc. - CNET News
Hahahaha
HomeGnome wrote:
Six days a week, but being on both ends of the ladder, like the old Laurel&Hardy skit, means it's all painfully slow. Fridays at quitting time there's
and 
to be enjoyed. And I've become unreformed. 
YouTube - AC/DC - Dirty deeds done dirt cheap with lyrics
So you're saying your new biz is a chat line?
Huh. Never would of thought of that one.
nova wrote:
Have the Amish figured out how to clear 2 acres of fallow field for less than equipment rental cost? With the money I'm saving I can afford to upgrade the deer and rodent fence to 7.5' from 6'.
Obamachev would fold his hand if he had 4 aces and the other guy was bluffing.
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
Letting your side-burns grow back?
Yup.
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
The May 2011 pics aren't working on your blog, Captain.
Get to it!
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
justaskin wrote:
You start with a cow who has a calf?
Sleep is overrated, it's the boring part of living...its like masterbating while lying with a naked hot woman next to you...
HomeGnome wrote:
mighty short drive in a little bitty car
josap wrote:
That's a painful joke around my place. We did exactly that. A great experience, but not the easy way to make a burger.
I think you should stop writing.
That sounds about right.
creditcriminalslovetarp wrote:
To get to sleep, I make lists of gear for a cross-country bicycle adventure. It's like counting sheep. Not gonna happen but it takes my mind off the boat... which
wouldn'tlet me sleep. I'm usually out in minutes.and commenting on a blog? now that's living life to its fullest!
Boats are mind occupying alien beings whom own your wallet and soul...
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
I plan gardens/crops/orchards/pantry rebuilds, etc. Soothing and
ish
j
An elderly woman walked into the Royal Bank of Canada one morning with a purse full of money She wanted to open a savings account and insisted on talking to the president of the Bank because, she said, she had a lot of money.
After many lengthy discussions (after all, the client is always right) an employee took the elderly woman to the president's office. The president of the Bank asked her how much she wanted to deposit. She placed her purse on his desk and replied, '$165,000'. The president was curious and asked her how she had been able to save so much money . The elderly woman replied that she made bets.
The president was surprised and asked, 'What kind of bets?'
The elderly woman replied, 'Well, I'll bet you $25,000 that your testicles are square.'
The president started to laugh and told the woman that it was impossible to win a bet like that. The woman never batted an eye. She just looked at the president and said, 'Would you like to take my bet?'
'Certainly', replied the president. 'I bet you $25,000 that my testicles are not square.'
'Done', the elderly woman answered. 'But given the amount of money involved, if you don't mind I would like to come back at 10 ' clock tomorrow morning with my lawyer as a witness.' 'No problem', said the president of the Bank confidently.
That night, the president became very nervous about the bet and spent a long time in front of the mirror examining his testicles, turning them this way and that, checking them over again and again until he was positive that no one could consider his testicles as square and reassuring himself that there was no way he could lose the bet.
The next morning at exactly 10 o'clock the elderly woman arrived at the president's office with her lawyer and acknowledged the $25,000 bet made the day before that the president's testicles were square.
The president confirmed that the bet was the same as the one made the day before. Then the elderly woman asked him to drop his pants etc. so that she and her lawyer could see clearly. The president was happy to oblige. The elderly woman came closer so she could see better and asked the president if she could touch them. 'Of course', said the president. 'Given the amount of money involved, you should be 100% sure.'
The elderly woman did so with a little smile. Suddenly the president noticed that the lawyer was banging his head against the wall. He asked the elderly woman why he was doing that and she replied, 'Oh, it's probably because I bet him $100,000 that around 10 o'clock in the morning I would be holding the balls of the President of the Royal Bank of Canada !'
The moral of the story is never mess with a smart elderly woman
HomeGnome wrote:
Try again, gnomie. They work fine from here.
I have no trouble getting to sleep. It's staying asleep that can be challenging. And alcohol just makes it worse, so that won't work.
Not working for me either, AB.
frankly hotdog, it is indeed
Joanna wrote:
I relive the shame of survivor's guilt and black out right away
volker the viking wrote:
Probably much more efficient.
They came for Bad Dawg Bobby, but I was watching tv, so I did nothing.
Outsider wrote:
You're getting text but no pix? Or a 404 error?
i'd by lying if i said i didn't enjoy the hell out of it.
creditcriminalslovetarp wrote:
They are also a hole in the water you pour money into and a bankers best friend but that being said I am deeply and irrevocably in love with mine.
404 This:
Not Found
The requested URL /2011-05-1.htm was not found on this server.
(May, 2011)
never fails
Albatross' Adventure - Page 65 - May... our sins be forgiven.
Joanna wrote:
Agree, you need the 3 acres of corn, the grazing field, the shelter. Milk the cow while trying to keep the calf away. Make the butter, make the cheese, feed/water (clean up after) the calf till it's grown, kill it, butcher it, wrap, freeze. Long time and alot of work for a cheeseburger.
and don't forget you have to take care of the cow too.
I buy my grass-fed beef from local farmers. Easy, not that much more than the grocery store, and they can do all the work. Frankly, I don't know how it could be worth it to them, but I hope it is.
josap wrote:
What? No lettuce? No tomato? No bacon? No slice of Poblano pepper?
Savages!
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
I can't wait to see her on the water.
josap wrote:
I used to have to bring the calf in to 'restart' the milk flow once the cow figured out the scam (milk theft). He got pretty ticked off after a few months.
The photos I love are of your garden area. How you got so much productivity out of such a small space is inspiring.
Joanna wrote:
He got pretty ticked off after a few months.
I think ur doin it rong.
I had a 22ft Boston Whaler Outrage set up great for Sea of Cortez, Southern Cal...I have some great memories of that boat...
some guy with commercial permit uses it now out of Morro Bay...
Outsider wrote:
in the swamp we mostly eat pig meat, or maybe venison, if duck is out of season or the fish ain't bitin', and when the mud bugs come on everybody eat good
Joanna wrote:
YouTube - Kingpin--cow milk
Comrade Alexei Mikhailovich wrote:
He meaning the calf.
Wrong breed of cow. Not a standard dairy breed. It makes a diff in milk let down. Mom didn't get ticked off, she had the control switch. But little Dougie didn't care for having his dinner interrupted. In any case, mom got sold off and baby went to freezer camp.
you got the screen doors in the ditch yet?
" They came for Bad Dawg Bobby "
Who?
Hub is watching something about the Death of All Stars.
Now that's really depressin'.
HomeGnome wrote:
Is that for crawdad catching?
dey be comin but dey be small, come New Year dey be a lot bedder
Who was it who testified that TARP would probably mmmmmake mmmmoney for the taxpayer?
Just like the Fed's MBS...
Senator Franken explains why he voted against the Indefinite Detention Bill.
As expected Senate passed the NDAA bill (87 to 13) which allowed US citizens to be detained indefinitely without a trial. It was ironic that yesterday 12/15 was the 220 year anniversary of the signing of our Bill of rights. So, on the 220 anniversary of the Bill of Rights, our 4th and 5th amendment is abolished silently in the dark.
Senator Franken of Minnesota was on of the 13 senator who voted against this Bill. He explains why he voted against this in an article in the Huff Post.
"The bill that passed on Thursday included several problematic provisions, the worst of which could allow the military to detain Americans indefinitely, without charge or trial, even if they're captured in the U.S.
At their core, these provisions will radically alter how we investigate, arrest, and detain individuals suspected of terrorism. What's more, they could undermine the safety of our troops stationed abroad, and they introduce new and unnecessary uncertainty into our counterterrorism efforts.
...
Most notably, we made a grave, indefensible mistake during World War II, when President Roosevelt ordered the incarceration of more than 110,000 people of Japanese origin, as well as approximately 11,000 German-Americans and 3,000 Italian-Americans.
In 1971, President Richard Nixon signed into law the Non-Detention Act to make sure the U.S. government would never again subject any Americans to the unnecessary and unjustifiable imprisonment that so many Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, and Italian-Americans had to endure. It wasn't until 1988, 46 years after the internment, when President Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act, that the government formally acknowledged and apologized for the grave injustice that was done to citizens and permanent residents of Japanese ancestry.
These were dark, dark periods in American history. And it is easy today to think that is all behind us.
But I fear the detention provisions in the bill forget the lessons we learned from the mistakes we made when we interned thousands of innocent Japanese, Germans, and Italians.
With this defense authorization act, Congress will, for the first time in 60 years, authorize the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, according to its advocates. This would be the first time that Congress has deviated from President Nixon's Non-Detention Act. And what we are talking about here is that Americans could be subjected to life imprisonment without ever being charged, tried, or convicted of a crime, without ever having an opportunity to prove their innocence to a judge or a jury of their peers. And without the government ever having to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think that denigrates the very foundations of this country. It denigrates the Bill of Rights. It denigrates what our Founders intended when they created a civilian, non-military justice system for trying and punishing people for crimes committed on U.S. soil. Our Founders were fearful of the military--and they purposely created a system of checks and balances to ensure we did not become a country under military rule. This bill undermines that core principle, which is why I could not support it.
Yesterday was the anniversary of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, and this wasn't the way to mark its birthday."
President Obama has indicated that he is going to sign this Bill. So basically Nixon and Reagan are better defender of our civil rights and the constitution than Obama.
Here's more, Outsider. La Vida Locavore:: AB's Garden - Comings and Goings
The secret is to grow up. By August the garden is 8 to 9' tall.
gotta run, heading to this little all organic eatery, nice walk, food is great and the banana cream pie, butterscotch topping, whip cream and a scoop of pumpkin ice cream ....heaven... my wife and me are going to battle over that last spoonful...
cheers and Merry Xmas
most of those sold out sons of bitches said so
who cares? this thing is beyond recall
the spirit morphs before the sound escapes the larynx
chart what you want, trade what you will
the ones left what be holdin' the real will be okay
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
Nice!
It doesn't take much space to grow a lot of food, if you get creative.
volker<
You know these guys?
YouTube - The Guist Brothers-Swamp People
The99Percent wrote:
Did they have the votes to override again? Nixon wanted Ellsberg in jail so bad he tried to bribe the judge. The judge declared a mistrial and dismissal for prosecutorial misconduct, as I recall.
You've got the green thumb, that's for sure. Lots of compost?
As long as we're posting the old songs...
The innertubz say Etta "Miss Peaches" James is deathly ill. In her honor:
YouTube - Etta James - The Very Thought of You
Thank you, Nova.
no
Re: Congress to Examine S.E.C. Settlement Policy - NYTimes.com
==> Isn't this like letting the mafia investigate gang murders"
See: December 01, 2011: Ratings for Congress now match the lowest levels ever recorded and a solid plurality continue to believe that most Members of Congress are corrupt.
October 19, 2006: Half of all Americans believe most members of Congress are corrupt -- a figure that has risen 12 points since the start of the year -- and more than a third think their own representative is crooked, according to a new poll released Thursday by CNN.
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
real nice, Bosch
total shill
nova wrote:
And a lot of that stuff looks fairly pricy; it's a surprise they can afford it.
Lehman's
Outsider wrote:
About 100 gallons (dry) a year. This is what I was looking for...
La Vida Locavore:: AB's Garden - Now with Close-ups! for the slide show. It's 13'x22'
[edit] And in the last couple of years, it's gotten taller all around. The only problem is to remember to plant ONLY 4 cucumber seeds.
justaskin wrote:
Not a Wirsbo job is it?
The99Percent wrote:
I doubt it. Nixon spied on us, planted lies, and who knows what else. Reagan the Hollywood rat enabled a special White House team to be above the law.
PastTense wrote:
I have a grain mill I got from Lehman's that was pricy but now is insanely expensive. Or... maybe Ol'
y just ain't what he used to be.
Beautiful. I think you might have posted that slideshow before.
In late Spring I corral a few of the neighbor kids and put a TARP under the mulberry tree across the street from Chateau Bidet and we shake and beat the tree branches to gather ten to twenty pounds of mulberries. We share the spoils and I just make juice with that.
'Internet is for Porn' pops up during House SOPA debate
i've read some of the transcripts from the debate. if it weren't so scary, it'd be funny. some of these politicians don't even have a rudimentary understanding of how the interboobz works.
"inflation schmaytion"
deflation schmaytion
stagflation schmaytion
contagion schmaytion
Looking good, volker.
Someone’s Ready for Space Travel - Poorly Dressed People of the World - Fashion Fails
Outsider wrote:
That's possible.
Like my poem, it's my one-and-only slide show.
These were however small timers, who were mostly interested in maintaining personal power, not crushing us all.
Basel Too wrote:
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
A neighbor has one, they have no idea you can eat the berries. They just think it is messy.
Next year those berries are going to be mine.
Basel Too wrote:
lawyerliz wrote:
c'mon Liz
you know it ain't so
they just as rotten and a part of the problem
The99Percent wrote:
josap wrote:
That's truly
, isn't it?
I made a long bamboo pole with a hook on the end to rattle the upper branches. The tree is fairly substantial and doesn't itself shake. The beauty part is only the ripe berries fall off, so you can go back and harvest the ripe berries over and over until they're all gone.
Nixon? Obama wants to crush us more than Nixon? I find that absurd.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
fucking asshole.
nova wrote:
Sorry for the thread delay. I just had to comment on this snippet above, and link to something I read a long time ago about this very sentence; a graduation speech given by Wendell Berry, part of which he calls "the futility of global thinking":
Learning to listen to the land - W. B. Willers - Google Books
Thanks.
Yes, Dick Nixon suggested dropping the bomb on Vietnam. Kissinger recoiled and they stuck with poison chemicals...
Howdy everyone.
Deck update. Front now fully done. Railings installed at back.
Only thing left to do is two steps on the back deck.
/heaves big sigh of relief.
Yo :dust fart:
Clean those greasy dreads. The stench is getting tome on the interboobs.