Bank Failures #150 & 151: Michigan and Pennsylvania
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Why would you name your bank "Earth's tar"?
Michigan. Still only in Michigan.
I thought Sheila was waiting for a big bank, one that could make a difference.
We are all still stuck in Michigan, waiting for a Mission, one that involves Pizza and friday nights.
I am gonna put another coat of paint on the bathroom.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Citizen AllenM wrote:
strike some matches, it's more effective and costs less
Hmmm - an ad for Ally Bank on a failed bank thread - maybe the ad server is trying to tell us something?
Earthstar and Paramont. . .weren't.
I would live in a burned out warehouse, but wimminfolk have these things called standards.
Ugh.
Now that the call of paint is started off I go.
Someday this war's gonna end...
I've got lending tree.
More than one offer to lend in South Florida?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Liz - have you heard if the cold spell in Florida is supposed to last? Heading over to Siesta Key in a few weeks.
A penny saved is a penny the taxpayers are on the hook for.
pizza
Thanks CR I was getting hungry.
Simple observation. A lot of these pigs that are going teets up are in the range $90M to $325M
Yet some of the tiny ones, the ones you thought most vulnerable are showing good signs of shaking their colds.
I just talked to Ben Franklin and he thinks these failed bank presidents should be required to fly a kite in a lightning storm.
2 a week = never.
20 a week = 2015.
Elvis wrote:
He would more likely suggest they fly a kite in a gathering storm.
Siesta Key
Dont eat at the "Old Salty Dog"
Barley wrote:
Bad memories?
Henry Ford said that these failed bank presidents should be tied between two Model Ts going the opposite direction. That's just plain mean.
Pavel, your on-line poems can't be sold for a nickel, but contain limitless value.
They can be enjoyed an infinite number of times without the smallest depreciation. But you knew that...
Paramount is fallen
Reduced to Level One
No Xmas this year.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
and the value is intrinsic, eternal, and while there is no money in poetry, there is also no poetry in money
There are only 151 bank failures right now, because the FDIC isn't trying. It makes me upset when people don't try. It is lazy and embarrassing.
Earthstar bank, I wonder if Moon beam was on the board of directors!
FDIC : Making Inaction Look Like Action
C
PS I was looking forward to the haiku on Earthstar. SGiP, you rock.
Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:
That's no moon.
*Dont eat at the "Old Salty Dog"
Bad memories?*
.
Dont get me started
A star falls to Earth
Polonia catches it
Winter sky is bleak.
*(But what the heck does it all mean? *
Thanks, Volker, Barley, i-currency.
Please think of it as commentary on our situation.
We worship ourselves. We will turn out to be our own human sacrifice.
volker the viking wrote:
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
Elvis - I share your frustration. We were told of hundreds of failures. This is but a dripping tap.
EarthStar is a name you give a bank when you are drunk. The moral to the story is drunkenly named banks fail. Next bank to fail is JimBeamAndCoke Bank. Mark my words.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
then it will be for a good cause
Amazon.com: From Here to Babylon: Poems by Pavel Chichikov (9780967190129): Pavel Chichikov: Books
I am still not sure what the FDIC closures are all about. The amounts involved are too small to be meaningful in the macroeconomic sense, since the large banks are excluded. About the only real impact is that the large banks will have less competition when the closures are all done. So is this the goal?
Kudos to the people of Vermont for ignoring the labels and electing the best man.
December 10, 2010
The U.S. Senate will ratify the START treaty with Russia before the current congressional session ends in early January 2011, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Dec. 10, CNN reported. Two senators from Maine, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, expressed their support for the nuclear reduction treaty on Dec. 10, as did Sen. John McCain of Arizona. McCain was skeptical that START could be ratified before the session ends, however. The START treaty will pass with bipartisan support and Congress will not leave before it is done, Gibbs said.
patientrenter wrote:
It's about jobs for examiners. Stimulus package.
PAVEL (notice the shouting as I never use all caps - this is why I can join Marketticker)
THANKS FOR THE LINK. MOST AWESOMNESS
ME BUY A COPY TOMMOROW
THANKS
patientrenter wrote:
"The goal" is whatever Savvy Jamie's most recent directive is.
patientrenter wrote:
I think that is the goal. Just feed the
and we will all be safe.
Thank you, Barley.
Elvis wrote:
But the party with OPM!
Oh sheila you do me well.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Yes. And the same goes to the voters who re-elected Ron Paul. There is a good chance Bernie and Ron are not loyal members of The Party.
These banks are in states with good football teams. But, it makes you wonder if football players should be running banks or just running backs?
Holy crap! I just watched a whitehouse pressed. Obama introduces Bill Clinton to talk about why the negotiated tax deal is necessary. A few minutes in Obama announces he's leaving for a holiday party and leaves Clinton behind who goes on to take questions for another 30 minutes. Obama is already mailing it in.
Bernie and Miley Cyrus smoking a bong fighting it out for #2 on google trends. At least many are interested
JP wrote:
....except don't carry it in your vehicle in Illinois - even if you aren't drug dealers..........
Aurora: $190k seized because brothers were drug suspects - Chicago Breaking News
There is no shame in committing Hari kari bank presidents unless you are drunk and announcing baseball games, then there is plenty of shame.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Imagine the entire Senate filled with people like Bernie Sanders. Or half of the House. The little pilot light in my soul might spark again. It went out a long time ago.
Bill probably loved it. I wonder if Obama eats the shrimp they serve at those things. They must serve shrimp?
Mike in Long Island wrote:
Mr Slippery wrote:
My soul has an LED light now. So much better and brighter. Plus, I glow at night so I don't need a flashlight.
Holy crap!
You must be making that up, Mike. I don't think you are though. Dumbfounded.
volker the viking wrote:
On that note, the "negotiation" between the illiterate Mr. Boffin and the one-legged balladeer Wegg in Dickens's Our Mutual Friend (not that I'm suggesting Pavel is a Wegg). Punchline is at the end::
"But I want some reading--some fine bold reading, some
splendid book in a gorging Lord-Mayor's-Show of wollumes'
(probably meaning gorgeous, but misled by association of ideas);
'as'll reach right down your pint of view, and take time to go by
you. How can I get that reading, Wegg? By,' tapping him on the
breast with the head of his thick stick, 'paying a man truly qualified
to do it, so much an hour (say twopence) to come and do it.'
'Hem! Flattered, sir, I am sure,' said Wegg, beginning to regard
himself in quite a new light. 'Hew! This is the offer you
mentioned, sir?'
'Yes. Do you like it?'
'I am considering of it, Mr Boffin.'
'I don't,' said Boffin, in a free-handed manner, 'want to tie a literary
man--WITH a wooden leg--down too tight. A halfpenny an hour
shan't part us. The hours are your own to choose, after you've done
for the day with your house here. I live over Maiden-Lane way--
out Holloway direction--and you've only got to go East-and-by-
North when you've finished here, and you're there. Twopence
halfpenny an hour,' said Boffin, taking a piece of chalk from his
pocket and getting off the stool to work the sum on the top of it in
his own way; 'two long'uns and a short'un--twopence halfpenny;
two short'uns is a long'un and two two long'uns is four long'uns--
making five long'uns; six nights a week at five long'uns a night,'
scoring them all down separately, 'and you mount up to thirty
long'uns. A round'un! Half a crown!'
Pointing to this result as a large and satisfactory one, Mr Boffin
smeared it out with his moistened glove, and sat down on the
remains.
'Half a crown,' said Wegg, meditating. 'Yes. (It ain't much, sir.)
Half a crown.'
'Per week, you know.'
'Per week. Yes. As to the amount of strain upon the intellect now.
Was you thinking at all of poetry?' Mr Wegg inquired, musing.
'Would it come dearer?' Mr Boffin asked.
'It would come dearer,' Mr Wegg returned. 'For when a person
comes to grind off poetry night after night, it is but right he should
expect to be paid for its weakening effect on his mind.'
Cinco-X wrote:
Miss not seeing that prick in a cage being tried for war crimes
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
pavel - you have to watch the vid. priceless
Mike in Long Island wrote:
I watched that today on CNBC. For some strange reason I had CNBC on. Anyway, Maria's reaction was that Bill likes to talk and talk and talk, so he was loving it. When she isn't talking markets, Maria is perceptive.
Elvis wrote:
so you can find your way to the pot in the middle of the night
I guess this kind of fits the conversation:
Obama’s Bushism | Michael Hudson
I almost feel naïve for being so angry at President Obama’s betrayal of his campaign promises regarding taxes. I had never harbored much hope that he actually intended to enact the reforms that his supporters expected – not after he appointed the most right-wing of the Clintonomics gang, Larry Summers, then Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke and other Bush neoliberals.
But there is something so unfair and wrong that I could not prevent myself from waking up early Tuesday morning to think through the consequences of President Obama’s sellout in the years to come. Contrary to his pretense of saving the economy, his action will intensify debt deflation and financial depression, paving the way for a long-term tax shift off wealth onto labor.
Oh, the 'tax cuts for the rich' guy elected by the Supreme Court?
Let his legacy expire.
This guy has spoken more truth today than that smirking jerk did in 8 years:
C-SPAN2 Live Stream - C-SPAN
Tommy Vu wrote:
another remark deserving derision
the day is fast approaching when many will thank him, the event is near, and will be a harbinger of better days
Maybe Obama left to hear someone sincere in politics...he should pay attention.
The FDIC is back in action!
When I read this I suddenly heard the James Bond theme song going through my head.
volker the viking wrote:
and that day is?
I noticed something on my last two trips down I-95 something I have not seen in years. Hitchhikers with backpacks.
volker the viking wrote:
I have a kitty litter box next to my bed, so I don't have to go outside.
Further from link:
So the game plan is not merely to free the income of the wealthiest class to “offshore” itself into assets denominated in harder currencies abroad. It is to scrap the progressive tax system altogether. The Democratic Congress is making only token handwringing protests against this plan, no doubt with an eye looking forward to the campaign contributors two years down the road.
'For when a person
comes to grind off poetry night after night, it is but right he should
expect to be paid for its weakening effect on his mind.'
If you had to grind it out it would be like writing advertising copy, which I've done. Long ago, for a short time, I wrote jacket copy for paperback book publishers.
Thanks again, Barley.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
I think he was telling the truth, and the truth is his mother in law was the one he dared not offend
Tommy Vu wrote:
fast approaching
nova wrote:
Time to break out your old bumpersticker:
"@$$, gas or grass; nobody rides for free..."
Maybe there's some emergency he had to leave for.
You think it was really a party?
volker the viking wrote:
OK Volker.
Senator Bernie is SMOKIN' !!!!111!1!!!!111
He sounds like HCN user#2. (Coop is #1)
Damn!
Cinco,
I never had that bumper sticker.
Okay, one last quote.
It is a travesty for Obama to trot out the long-term unemployed (who now get a year’s extension of benefits) like widows and orphans used to be. It’s not really “all for the poor.” It’s all for the rich. And it’s not to promote stability and recovery. How stable can a global situation be where the richest nation does not tax its population, but creates new public debt to hand out to its bankers? Future tax payers will spend generations paying off their heirs.
nova wrote:
The last time I picked up a hitchhiker with a backpack, my car was filled with 12 kittens. What was that? Now I only pickup hitchhikers with no backpacks. Then I steal their wallets and drop them off in the projects.
Sadly I'm not pavel. Unless the CBS evening news is celebrating April fools day early.
pavel.chichikov wrote:
Wegg's only half-literate himself, so he's negotiating for more money if he is forced to read the harder stuff (i.e., poetry) to Boffin. In the next chapter, he substitutes words for the ones he doesn't recognize, but Boffin can't read, so it doesn't matter. Congratulations on the volume of poetry. I'm off to pick up the Missus after work.
nova wrote:
think what you missed...
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul have iconoclastic personalities, so they are unlikely to act together to initiate a new movement. However, if they could cooperate, right now they might attract enough support to finally threaten the stranglehold of The Party. I am dreaming, of course. If anyone seriously threatened The Party, they would find themselves being investigated on trumped-up criminal charges, like having sex without a condom in Sweden.
nova wrote:
It was supposed to be a joke....
Cinco-X wrote:
ROFLMAO!!!
Cinco-X wrote:
http://www.bumperstickerz.com/images/1000316-00-00-00-00_lg.png
I think Obama was expecting Clinton to follow him out the door. Can't believe that he would leave Clinton alone at the podium with the presidential seal hovering behind. Terrible optics for Obama
The story is on politico
Obama exits - and Clinton keeps going - Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com
Well, Chairman-elect Paul should start by apologizing to senior Senator Sanders for calling him a "sell-out" for getting a strong but one-time "audit the Fed" provision enacted.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
I was dreaming, of course. The Party divides and conquers.
Time to let my elves out of their cages in the basement, and take them to the parade. Except for the elf who wants to be a dentist. He's going to a the Island of Misfits. Merry commenting. And to all a good night.
Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Friday enlisted former President Bill Clinton to help sell a compromise tax package negotiated with Republicans to reluctant Democrats.
After meeting with Clinton at the White House, Obama brought him to the briefing room to tout the proposal to reporters, even backing off after a brief introduction to let Clinton do the talking and take questions.
The Clinton Restoration is complete.
C
From your link, Mike.
Well, here ya go.
Obama had already held a press conference this week and taking questions from reporters was the last thing he wanted to do. “I've been keeping the first lady waiting for about half an hour, so I'm going to take off,” was his response to the first question directed at him.
Elvis wrote:
Elvis has left the building
God forbid her royal majesty take 30 minutes out of her busy day so dear leader can speak to his subjects. Geez.
So why hold the presser in the first place if you can't make the time to be there. It really comes across as not giving a crap.
obama gave up. this presidency crap was a lot harder than community organizing.
Later, after confirming the Obamas had left, Bill let himself into the oval office. He spun in the leather chair, looked out the window, and noticed movement in the hallway. It was an intern. Bill smiled. Life was good.
nova wrote:
......Hehehehe.........you devil.....
Mike in Long Island wrote:
Media was showing Bernie too much attention. Obama had to steal some thunder
Well, he's concluding...
From the politico story
*But the former president couldn’t get enough. Clinton fielded nearly a dozen questions, twice as many as Obama took during his briefing room press conference on Tuesday. He knew the reporters by name – calling out Ann Compton of ABC and George Condon of the National Journal with ease. Obama’s press secretary, Robert Gibbs, repeatedly tried in vain to rein him in. (“Gibbs will call ‘last question,’” Obama informed reporters as he left for the party.)
*
Clinton took twice as many questions as Obama. Lol.
When O left he said that Mrs O had been waiting for more then a half hour for him. She must be the real boss.
volker the viking, Glad they missed and to see you back safe and sound.
OT: Meanwhile, in LA, the beat foes on... Flipper Wars!
How Many Flippers Are Too Many Flippers in Northeast LA? - Flipping - Curbed LA
Maybe we could just put Clinton back in office and send Obama on a vacation at a fancy resort.
Oh, that's mean.
Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:
I'm sure her balls are bigger than her husbands
Can anyone continue the filibuster on Monday? Of do they have to go around the clock?
Lol go nova.
Tommy Vu wrote:
There were no links to Bernie on any of the mainstream news sites.
JBR wrote:
Looks good on the GDP reports.
All thanks to funny money Ben.
Has Obama passed Bush's 8-year press conference total yet?
Really, when you get through the satire, this is all depressing, if not downright scary.
At least START II is going to be confirmed, according to Gibbs, anyway.
12:03 am. Saturday Morning. Washington D.C.
Bang! Bang! Bang!
Barrick: "God damnit! Open this door! I'm the President.
Michele "OMG! Someone changed the locks!"
Barrick "Damn...who has a cigarette?"
Michele "Honey look! Is that Bill peering at us from our bedroom window?"
pavel.chichikov wrote:
seriously, he's given up. this shows the meddle of the man.
how in the hell is the country going to do with absolutely NO leadership for the next two years? which is worse? bad leadership, which we've had in abundance, or no leadership?
yuan wrote:
Thank goodness that we have a truly free media here in the US, unlike those benighted countries like China where the commanding heights of the media and economy are controlled by The Party.
Even more troubling than abandoning the press conference is the issue behind it, at least to me: Picking an MVP to be on your team when you're choosing an unpopular stance, to assuage the people. The issue to me is that Obama abandoned the good of the people in favor of the wealthy oligarchs who will bring this country to ruin and cause pain and suffering to the majority.
If he chose the right course and stood up for the good of the people, I'd let him party with the Mrs. all he wants.
But grrr.
who is this bernie we speak of? i've been buried under work for the last three days. what did i miss?
edit: madoff again?
"Has Obama passed Bush's 8-year press conference total yet? "
Obama should just land a jet in NYC. I can just see him climbing out in a leather bomber jacket with the GS logo on the back. Wall Street traders going crazy in front of a "Mission Accomplished. F'YEAH" banner.
so am I
and though I may be safe, I am far from sound
just waiting for an opening
and thus a new book by one of hcn's authors was begun...
pavel.chichikov wrote:
It's almost as if the Democrats are pulling a fast one on the Republicans. The Senate Republicans said they wouldn't allow any business to proceed until the tax cuts are extended for everyone.
But if the Senate passes a tax bill, then ratifies START II and repeals DADT; but then the House passes a different tax bill, the taxes become a problem for the new Congress and the Democrats get the treaty ratified and DADT repealed.
Tommy Vu wrote:
Well, that he did. The damage control will make interesting reading.
bernie speaks for 8 hours, while:
The former president, who was trotted out to publicly endorse Obama’s tax cuts deal with Republicans, held court for a half hour after the current president had left him behind to attend a holiday party in the White House residence.
Obama had already held a press conference this week and taking questions from reporters was the last thing he wanted to do. “I've been keeping the first lady waiting for about half an hour, so I'm going to take off,” was his response to the first question directed at him.
RockyR wrote:
Seriously?
Bernie Sanders spoke on the Senate floor for 8&1/2 hours.
Motion to nominate Bernie Sanders HCN User #2
Do I have a Second?
Volker, "just waiting for an opening "
To do what? Or should I mind my own biz.
I'll second.
The damage control will be interesting reading.
O had caught a bug in Afganistan and had intense intestinal cramps and had to go to the bathroom. Doctors say he will recover.
And the very last last last quote from Michael Hudson's article linked above:
Welcome to debt peonage. This is worse than what was meant by a double-dip recession. It will be with us much longer.
Basel Too wrote:
If this turns into a talking marathon between Bernie Sanders and Bill Clinton, I fear for Bernie's health.
re UK students rioting. I found these images telling
Students riot in Parliament Square over tuition fees | Galleries | Pictures
Barley wrote:
It will do them no good.
They can just get more loans if they want an education that can not be used to find a job.
Encouraged by the success of using Bill Clinton President Obama began enlisting other former Presidents. As he told Michelle "I really like this idea. Presidential organizing. It's great! Lets get Jimmy Carter in here to talk about energy!"
Three days later at the press conference after Obama left him with the reporters Jimmy spent the next hour sitting by himself until someone told him it was okay to go home now.
Barley wrote:
bah. looks like columbus after an osu victory.
now that's genuinely funny
SECOND
Obama is old news. Senator Sanders is the leader of the entire left after today.
i wonder if the brits ever will wake up and realize just how flipping looney the idea of their royal family is. what a waste of oxygen. somehow, i doubt it.
call for question
In a somewhat similar demo in Tbilisi in, IIRC, 1988, demonstrators had their heads split open by the trenching tools of Soviet paratroopers, who had been ordered not to use ammo. The demonstrators died.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
"Sanders, a self-described socialist who caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate, has been speaking on the Senate floor since around 10:30 a.m. this morning,"
at least you're intellectually honest.
Clinton and Obama are a centrist has-been and a never-was.
Let 'em expire. [The tax cuts]
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
LoL! Control over brand Left of The Party would never be ceded to someone outside The Party. The same is true for brand Right. These are both valuable US political brands. Together, they have a 90% market share.
Barley, "re UK students rioting. I found these images telling"
The sign "We will not be your slaves", can be applied to many countries. Including this one.
Will we be seeing this in the United States soon?
Maybe not.
We are to comfortable.
Bad Dawg Bobby wrote:
you obviously missed the black friday coverage.
Bad Dawg Bobby wrote:
Don't think we will be much longer.
RockyR wrote:
It's a good tourist attraction, just like Disneyland. I haven't seen the profit and loss statement for the British Royal Family, but all those foreign tourist dollars are very valuable.
oh, hey
ers. remember this old card? maybe we can stir up some more ukrainian conspiracy stories over at zero hedge and make prognostications of a global pandemic... of death:
Doctors shocked by spread of swine flu – and its severity -
Health News, Health & Families - The Independent
patientrenter wrote:
when i vacationed there, i chose to spend my time in the pubs drinking the ales and talking to the people. f the palaces and their gauche crap. frankly, i despised the UK for it. between that and the pretty boy oil sheiks in their italian sports cars sprinting about devonshire, london is exposed as the hell hole it really is.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
So can we have the fourth political party commenters have been calling for? Tea Party/Repub/Demo/Sanders Party ?
patientrenter wrote:
it's a fucking side show freak-a-rama
Hey, do you think Sheila moving on Michigan early was a sign of twofer and done?
C'mon PNW, Kali and the sandy bits, represent!
C
ciao.
later
If you two want to trivialize the continuity inherent in the Crown's right to be consulted, to advise and to warn for so many years, you haven't thought how useful that might have been here at home, had we had access to it. England is still a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary democracy, both of which serve to its advantage.
Question your assumptions.
Mike in Long Island wrote:
I'm tellin' ya - he's heading for the exits in 2012 ...intentionally. If you're the new CEO and you've finally gotten a real good look at the books and the board has your hands tied and won't turn the company around ...what you do is bail at the first opportunity.
Well then declare an official split. I don't care about brands or the machine. If you're in NYC, we used to be called "reform Democrats"-- Lindsay, Allard Lowenstein, Mark Green, Bella Abzug...Lately, not so much.
You think Rachel Maddow and John Stewart are going to rave about some ethanol subsidies? When the President signs off on a sweetheart deal with the opposition, why bother supporting him? The leverage is all in the split. Let the nuts have Palin Beck, take back the House, keep the Senate and hope a Justic mails it in. Then we have some fun.
burnside wrote:
Long live King George!
Art Eclectic wrote:
thank you. that reminds me i need to go work on my resume.
Holy Shit! A freaking Royalist. Here's a warning:
YouTube - The Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen
Thread music: YouTube - Never Stop - The Bad Plus
Art Eclectic wrote:
Could be. He can't fix it. don't think anyone else can either at this point.
The day he got elected and was shown the truth, I bet he wanted to change his mind.
But he signed on for the job and now sees it can't be done. I wouldn't want to be him.
Screw the crown, the queen, Obama and the status quo. Waiting on the europeans to start the fires as the crown, queen, Obama and the status quo force austerity and debt peonage down their throats.
Art Eclectic, "the board has your hands tied and won't turn the company around "
I would LIKE to think you are right but he has been to much of "A friend of Wall Street" and Corporate overseas investment companies, to feel sorry for.
But than again the Republicans are even worse. I'm glad Barnie Sanders spoke up in Congress, maybe politicians will listen and realize the people are watching.
"Progressive" v. x might just have to do...
I'm lobbying for Franken to be deputy. Schumer is a fucktard.
Don't you normally announce several rounds of restructuring and rebranding just to destablize your opponents and wrongfoot the sycophants playing to the main faction on the board? Then, after everyone else is exhausted you finally resign in disgust at the fools who don't share your unique and compelling vision?
C
patientrenter wrote:
If you'd meant Geo V, I'd probably raise a cup.
Burnside...
Turn the damn heat on!!!
Chris
Please tell me you're
Question your sanity.
Cobradriver wrote:
Oh, it's on, Chris. How could it not be?
josap wrote:
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Just like GWB practically ran out the door as soon as he'd handed over the office. He KNEW what the books looked like and knew there was no way out. Ok, I say no way out, but what I mean is no Politically Feasible way out.
Art Eclectic wrote:
I think you're overestimating him.
I called a work order in Thursday to get the 2 small heaters in the shop fixed. The cold and rain finally got to me...
You could open the window and share
Chris
Rajesh wrote:
I didn't say somebody didn't TELL him and spend 6 weeks explaining it with charts, graphs and small easy to understand words
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Seriously. You guys go banging on painting every aspect of every cohort not your own with the same brush. You hate them all. They're all useless. And stupid. And clever and undermining and evil. And life would clear up if they were eliminated. And you question my sanity?
Rajesh wrote:
Grossly overestimating him. He's a fraud, a deceiver, another George Bush
First test post from my newly-leased Droid 2 ...pretty
ing cool!
I am glad the elites let us serfs have and use some of their technologies...
Art Eclectic wrote:
The dominant paradigm will allow no change from within. It must be short-circuited from without. There's a reason why "populism" is a dirty word within the Beltway and on Wall Street. It's how the doom will come. And it could take any form, including a fair number of nasty ones.
In the meantime, the expense accounts still work and maybe there's time for another ten years' of big bonuses to fund the retirement doomstead in Bermuda.
YouTube - Fuck the Queen - Im not an ant im not a bee
Tommy Vu, "another George Bush "
As a former Republican.........that hurts.
But I agree.
If you are there Terry, no cold snap lasts weeks. Supposed to come in Sunday nite, but usually lasts a few days. Could get cold then warm, then cold again. Hubs co-worker sez it's supposed to be really cold, but hub doesn't think it will be
THAT cold.
Bob Dobbs wrote:
Populism is not popular on Wall Street or inside the Beltway because it's a brand that is not fully owned by The Party.
Olbermann: Obama turned his back on his base - msnbc tv - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - msnbc.com
This is a split.
Bad Dawg Bobby wrote:
As a former democrat, it hurts more
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Completely expected.
volker's back!
This is intense, even for Keith. And dead on target.
so's elvis
it's party time
Hive-minds and Kleptocrats - NYTimes.com
Nice summary of the degeneration of the modern corporation -- back to historical norms of predatory behavior. I liked this:
"These days, we’re living in the world of the imperial, very self-interested individual; the man in the gray flannel suit has been replaced by the man in the very expensive Armani suit. Look at the protagonists in the global financial meltdown, and you won’t see faceless corporations subverting individual will; you’ll see avaricious individuals exploiting corporate forms to enrich themselves, often bringing the corporations down in the process. Lehman, AIG, Anglo-Irish, etc. were not cases of immortal hive-minds at work; they were cases of kleptocrats run wild."
Did you read the books? I get the feeling sometimes the blurb writer didn't.
Just curius.
Bob Dobbs wrote:
Yes.
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I'll tell ya why Obama's Presidency is like sex in a canoe.
cuz bush light is fuckin close to water.
Did Senator Sanders stop talking or did someone cancel the feed?
Tommy Vu, "As a former democrat, it hurts more "
Though I voted for Rand, I had hoped for that "Hope and Change" and down right SHOCKED to see his, out right neglect to his supporters in favor of the wealthy.
Two more Years, We won't make it and he can't go back.
We are so screwed.
And he even nails the Blanche Lincoln fiasco.
Have another beer; it might sober you up.
Elvis wrote:
cattle prod up the ol backside
He concluded, a little anticlimactically, a spectacular tour de force.
Bad Dawg Bobby wrote:
Yep.
Nothing to do now but buy beans and rice. And hang on.
Thanks. Obviously, I missed the whole show.
I echo the comment from an unknown House democrat "Fuck the president"
Bob Dobbs wrote:
I'm afraid I agree. Italy had the detestable Umberto (wasn't it?) and got Mussolini. The Shah was truly an evil man; replaced by an Ayatollah. Out of our population, there must be a few hundred budding Robespierres. All done with the purest of intentions.
We resist elitism. Fine. How we resist and to what ends matters a great deal, if history has anything at all to say.
sportsfan wrote:
He finished his speech at 7 pm.
nova wrote:
fresh from the Gulf, and nicely basted with dark 'bbq sauce'.
burnside wrote:
Is that why George W. Bush was elected in 2000 and 2004?
Wow. Olbermann is still going off the rails. I don't know if this from the broadcast or a web special. Wild.
Olbermann: Obama turned his back on his base - msnbc tv - Countdown with Keith Olbermann - msnbc.com
sportsfan wrote:
Sounds sober to me. Good sense of humor also
Sounds like a useless drunk to me. No sense of humor at all.
I suppose "Obama Era" Tax Cuts are completely impossible.
yogi, "a spectacular tour de force"
Ya, If the President "The people elected" won't use the bully pulpit on their behave, let's support Sanders.
But we are so screwed.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Glad to see you are enjoying the whole play. Suspension of disbelief significantly increases the enjoyment. I wish I had that gift.
Elvis wrote:
waht? you don't even have a pot to piss in?
Why? They are Obama tax cuts for the bottom 98% and Republican tax cuts for the top 2%.
I think that's abundantly clear.
Sporto, Bush tax cuts expiration aint gonna change my way of livin.
sportsfan wrote:
Of course. You're a true believer and he dare's to speak lowly of your leader.
sportsfan wrote:
Another true believer.
Both brands of The Party have to be used to get the tax cuts for the top 2% through. The cuts for the bottom 98% are just overhead cost for that.
Tommy Vu wrote:
Of course. You're a true believer and he dare's to speak lowly of your leader.
You're missing my point. What he said was totally useless, just as most drunks speak.
You're a true basher of Obama and always have been. That's the only possible reason you have to think that what he said was in the slightest humorous. It was just stupid.
burnside, "How we resist and to what ends matters a great deal, if history has anything at all to say."
True, Obama had an outstanding opportunity to go down in histery as a representitive of "The People" and institute real Change.
We can't forget John and Robert Kennedy, very wealthy . Taken Down by the Wealthy, because they understood the Presidency and how it could change the country and what it means to the People.
I understand and agree with your premise and the warning you send.
These are indeed Dangerous Times, a fascist, anarchist dream come true. I personnally believe the American People are smart enough to deal with it, However.
Olbermann is on some industrial strength vitriol.
The progressives will be predictably apesh!t, but how far into the formerly centrist ranks is this going to go?
Guess we wait til Gibbs claims "The backlash is contained."
Then it gets interesting.
C
sportsfan wrote:
Not accurate. After he named Geithner and Summers, then I began bashing Obushma. "Obama's presidency is like sex ina canoe. Because Bush lite is fucking close to water" is funny.
anybody getting a download expand html warning?
Olbermann was a couple years ahead of me at my University. He turns a lot of people off with his style, but he doesn't dumb it down and we happen to be fairly aligned politically.
I've been waiting for this split forever. The ambitious Dem egos are laying low, but a frontrunner could make a breakaway this weekend. Bernie will easily win the stage, but he can't win the Tour, so they can work together.
Feingold has nothing to do for the next 2 years.
What are the alternatives, beg forgiveness from Her Headless Majesty?
How much money was
spentwasted on the dumbass/retarded marketing bullshit associated with: Earthstar BankOk, I'll improve it for free ... EarthTard
Maybe some part of Obama couldn't stand to be on the dais with the great centrist shill.
Tommy Vu wrote:
Okay, so you didn't start bashing him until two months BEFORE he was inaugurated:
YouTube - Obama Names his Economic Team
That means you backed him for . . . what, two weeks after the election?
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
familyblog
sportsfan wrote:
About a year or more before that. I never liked Hillary much, supported Obama as soon as he announced
Schumer is son of d'amato. Peter King is a fucktard.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
New and improved brand Left!
It'll get your politics lefter than left!
Run the same slogans for the true believers in brand Right, after carefully changing the labels, when they run out of steam.
The public makes it so easy for the people managing The Party.
The Party
Tommy Vu wrote:
As did I. I guess our difference is that I still do. It's not a big deal.
I realize a lot of people no longer support him or, more precisely, his policies or his manner of dealing with either or both his supporters and his opposition.
patientrenter wrote:
We marginalize ourselves, not just willingly but passionately. It's pretty sad
A 150 Bank Failures in a couple years, not bad.
We can thank Benny and the Fed.
I fear 150 in a Month could be on the horizon.
Than Again, I could be wrong.
you've had some very interesting things to say today.
patientrenter wrote:
Looks to me like the D's are warming up to form their own version of the Tea Party. Pretty predictable.
When Wilbur Smith asked his tormentor in 1984 what the future held he was told it was a boot stepping on a human face.........forever. Are we there yet?
When and what's the tipping point or is it just a long slow grind downhill from here? Is resistance futile or inevitable or are we even capable of it anymore. If there is some sort of upheaval what form would it take and what would come afterwards?
The more I see what goes on in the world and how it seems the world really works, the more I wonder if how Marx saw the state of affairs progressing in Das Kapital was written off just a tad early.
sm_landlord wrote:
Isn't it better than business as usual?
avec popcorn. long time no see.
You know how this funny this all is, but in 2008 I was commenting here in response to people calling him a radical and a socialist that not only wasn't he a socialist, he wasn't even very progressive or much of a liberal. John Edwards was clearly the liberal running in the Democratic primaries.
Well, this was the result of a not very progressive or much of a liberal type of Democratic POTUS.
This isn't a surprise to me. The fact that it surprises anyone else is what is a surprise to me.
The rude beginnings of the
Party?
sdtfs wrote:
Depends on what they come up with, and how much traction it gets. But I expect it to be as unstable as the Tea Party, whatever it is.
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
When Winston Smith asked his tormentor in 1984
sportsfan wrote:
Jon Stewart had clips of him bitching about how the left was unhappy about healthcare reform w/o a public option, and financial reform w/o derivatives legislation, in the midst of GROUND BREAKING legislation. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. All fat and no meat, does not grondbreaking legislation make.
Sanders claimed >95 % of the correspondence to his office has been against the deal. TARP all over. Call 'em anyway.
Come to think of it Grayson ain't too busy either. Feingold/Grayson? Too Jewish? Thought so...
Sanders/Franken? More of same...
Actually, I'd trade the White House for both Houses and a Justice in a second. Maybe Obama is lame because he really is not de-facto Commander-in Chief?
eh, too much
burnside wrote:
Yes, the means determine the ends in life and politics to a great extent. Back to "Clusterfuck, The move"...I'll check in later.
sportsfan wrote:
Obama is a budget conscious socialist: he wants universal healthcare but only if its cheap.
The alternative was McPain
That is my only consolation.
I expected him to fail, because things were screwed up beyond anyone's ability to fix. But I didn't expect the failure to be related to wimpiness.
Uh, no, it was clearly Dennis Kucinich.
Kucinich/Kaptur? K2...
sm_landlord wrote:
It will weaken the two party system, the two peas-in-a-pod US political machine.
long time no see.
crazy with work, got divorced, raising a 13 yr old son, trying to keep it all together. You know how it is. Always lurking though.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
I don't know. Might have a particularly sharp perception of oppression and how it's dealt with. You're saying unelectable. Could be.
Tommy Vu wrote:
Fine with me. I would like to see some new people elected.
sportsfan, "The fact that it surprises anyone else is what is a surprise to me. "
Not a Surprise, as much as a disappointment.
Blackhalo wrote:
I saw the clips. I try to watch Stewart and Colbert all the time, but I miss some shows.
I agree with Obama's remarks as shown in the clips. (No need for all the details here.)
If I were to say what I don't like about Obama policies, it would be his failure to push tax legislation in 2009. (Various details omitted for bevity.) I also understand that Democrats running for reelection didn't want it to come up before the vote in 2010, so we're all stuck in the middle of it right now. (BTW, I don't need to criticize Obama here, being one of his supporters, since I read plenty of comments doing that already.)
gotta nickel for the jukebox?
I stand corrected. But in my defense I'm typing with one hand while talking on the phone with a tech in another part of the country with the other here at work. Multitasking as it were.
Always appreciate the Mary challenge. Sometimes I don't follow all the oblique references but who am I
....
lawyerliz wrote:
I also posted here in 2008 before the election that from one perspective it didn't matter because either one of them would be a one term President given the crashing all around us that no one was going to fix in four years.
The wimpiness, which I acknowledge to some degree (not as much as others), was a surprise to me, too.
sm_landlord wrote:
Catch-22 though. You need so much money to get elected, and if you have that kind or money or have backers with that type of money, it's more of the same.
Comrade Canadien,
Hang in there. You know who is the most important person in your life now. I'm sure you will act accordingly.
On Topic for a sec: It's almost six here on the left coast. There must be a bank worth shutting somewhere around here.
the Tom Stone virus has left the building.
Tommy Vu wrote:
Teddy R, came from a wealthy, elite background, but still considered it a personal duty to crush corporate largess....
OT:
Body Fell From Plane, Authorities Say - NY Times
Meanwhile, the TSA
continues apace.
sm_landlord wrote:
I'd throw out some names, but I had to sign all those Confidentiality Agreements.
Tommy Vu wrote:
Not entirely. My observation has been that pols who stay in office too long completely lose touch with the real economy. Some fresh blood would bring new perspectives. Maybe even some people with real-world experience.
blah, blah, blah....IT COULDA BEEN A BOMB?
check your metafilter for additional comments.
It was obvious from TARP. The public was calling in 9-1 against and Obama was afraid of or uninterested in a challenge the Establishment (
). Now he's playing bipartisan leader, but this split is final. I'd vote for Nader again before Obama.
YouTube - Yuletide Zeppelin II
You don't need any money. The next President will be chosen by social network and Youtube ads. Yup.
.....
,,,,,
Yup.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Good move. That got us Bush the Lesser the last time it was tried.
cellar door wrote:
The Grand Warlock did some filtering:
WikiLeaks cables: Vatican refused to engage with child sex abuse inquiry | World news | The Guardian
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Another guy not owned by The Party. There are a few (and not all on the political left).
What's oblique about Alfonse D'Amato when anyone here can joke about Helms and Thurmond? NY represents,yo.
oh wait. D'Amato's not dead yet. Is he?
Fool airport security?? Oh, noez!
sportsfan wrote:
Nader was the only logical candidate.
BushCo made this whole thing collapse faster.
The dems are a slow death.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Paul almost pulled that off, until the (R) banned him from the debates. At one point his "money bombs" were pulling in more public donations than the corporate donations to all other candidates.
And what do I have to thank Obama for?
Maybe they'll try to gambit for the liberals by changing Don't Ask Don't Tell. I feel for those 14,000 or so affected, but big fucking deal. There are more than 14,000 homeless veterans in the US. AAnd counting.
"Maybe even some people with real-world experience
Strikes me that this is often parsed into meaning people with business or corporate experience. I'm sick of those people, I don't want them running anything for me anymore. I think that one of the biggest threats to our freedom facing us is the ever increasing corporatization of our society. I myself would like to see a few more pols with some intellectual (dirty word in our culture I know) experience.
I have a saying,
"Heaven preserve me from the self made man"
lawyerliz,
Follow up on 'wimpiness'
Good orators tend to be good leaders. Obama is a good orator. Guys who can consistently hit a 3 tend to be good leaders. Obama can hit the 3. Guys who grow up biracial tend to have been shit on by everyone and thus have the capacity to be good leaders. Obama had that capacity. Guys that not only get a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard, but also are editor of the law review tend to be good leaders. Obama's credentials are impeccable.
So I expected a really good leader. He has shown himself to be more of an administrator than a leader. Should I fault him for this? Hard question, given the crash he faced before taking office and the economy since then. So I'll agree that it can be summarized as a certain (apparent) 'wimpiness' but that' only as good as any other label might be.
Gee, you can't join the party and kill women and children in exotic destinations.
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
Bernanke?
Bernanke?
He's not a pol.
Farewell, long bond bubble, we hardly knew ye...
Futures 30 Year Bond Chart 5 minute
Daily chart has some revealing CoT moves.
UST volatility looks like heading northwards:
Bloomberg.com:
Personal Finance
C
Bernie blew him away today. Brooklyn accent and all. Obama lacks any gravitas. He wants to be liked and admired for his speeches. He doesn't care about the content. More Reagan than Bush, except with a working brain.
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
We have a fair number of attorneys elected. I think the corporate types are more likely appointees in the administration.
How 'bout some engineers?
not only do I not read any wiki linky bullshit, I had to ask kCoop to delete any reference to it. also too.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
http://illinoishomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=192567
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
Choosing academics may, or may not, be helpful, in politics or other fields.
For example, what percentage of academic economists were warning us that we were heading in the wrong direction in the go-go 2006 days?
sportsfan wrote:
Gore's unwillingness to fight post-election could be cast in a different light if one realizes what was leaked on him a decade later.Someone had the goods on the ex-VP ?
sportsfan wrote:
That is a fair and credible point. But the decision to get between the bankers and the pitchforks is the one I question most.
sportsfan wrote:
Oddly, I've always disagreed. I've heard this said of him often - we all have.
1 currency now -yogi wrote:
No, no, no. Get this right, rape women and girls and kill babies before burning the village in that exotic destination.
I mean, why pull punches?
I didn't specify which went over or through my head. None recently. That I know of. Of course, I wouldn't know of them.
Uhh, orientation problem....you mean bacha bazi ungabunga.
"How 'bout some engineers?"
How about a variety of people from all walks of life.
How about a draft/lottery system for government. Five hundred or a thousand random people out of the population chosen to serve a term governing. Make it the highest pinnacle of social duty. Couldn't be worse than what we get now could it?
jury duty sucks, but I do my time.
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
Could we screen out the drug dealers and felons?
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
I'm pretty sure that would be much worse.
Comrade Canadie... wrote:
Do we have some kind of training available for government service? People would have to know a great number of unfamiliar things.